Where are all the QUALIFIED black HCs

I said the black community hates uncle tom, FD was great for the black community had he had anyone at all step up to his aide. Much like John Brown where the slaves let him down. Is FD not the definition of an uncle tom?


There was a novel written, exactly how is that starting a phrase? Especially considering 95% of black americans could not read.


Then how out of whack is islam? Everyone can make a journey except few come back "enlighten" yet others come back full of hate? 

And I'm telling you there is no subconscience involved in today's owners. There subconscience is about making the most money possible. Since liberals hate rich wealthy people, you have to realize greed and keeping power has nothing to do with black, white or any other color. 

I'm missing any point with the Jim Harbaugh connection. He wanted to be a HC so he took a job at a lesser school? How many black assistants have gone back to college to attempt gaining head man experience? WSU has tried in basketball and football yet were turned down. I do think it isn't right how skewed the numbers are in the NFL and college football in terms of coaching but it's hard to feel sympathy when coach's think they are too good for certain jobs. Watch the documentary on Sylvester Croom, he said no to I believe it was 10 jobs and even said no thanks to the MSU job until he was pressured into it.

I can see your point but it makes no sense, you would rather hire a guy with zero head man experience as opposed to a guy who has been nearly as successful as any head man?

I'm not saying the media, I just find huge hypocrisy is that argument. Black retreads=saintly, white retreads=racist. How is that an argument to be taken seriously? Wouldn't the black coach's situation would happen if "retread" black coach's would go take coordinator jobs and new black coach's get a chance and fill the pool with more retread possibilities instead of b*tching about how recently fired black coach's better get a HC job or it's racist?

Exactly, the problem with liberals. You can't engage in a real debate. Much along the lines of Obama. Once an engaging debate with opposing opinions you give up, at least you don't have the platform as him to cry and corrupt minds with how the otherside are horrible people. Much along the lines of making compelling arguments. You criticize me for my opinion on driving being a right but you say gay marriage is a right.

wazzu, I would never cut and run when a debate gets engaging with opposing opinions.  I've been in this debate from the start and I've probably made more posts than anyone else.  The debate is tired and nothing new is being brought up.  there is no reason to continue but if you just want to go back and forth and get no where, I'm unemployed for now, I have nothing better to do. 


I said the black community hates uncle tom, FD was great for the black community had he had anyone at all step up to his aide. Much like John Brown where the slaves let him down. Is FD not the definition of an uncle tom?


I don't really care if you or anyone else believes Frederick Douglass was a Tom.  His books shed a light on darkness, that's enough for me. 

There was a novel written, exactly how is that starting a phrase? Especially considering 95% of black americans could not read.

 Had the book Uncle Tom's Cabin not been written, the phrase Uncle Tom likely wouldn't exist.  I get the feeling that you're just arguing this to argue.  Let me see if this helps.  The term Bootylicious was from a song from Destiny's Child.  If they had never written that song, the likelihood of the word Bootylicious being in our dictionary is slim to none.  The phrase comes from the book, it only takes one black  person who can read who then would tell another person what the book is about and then they start calling people who suck up to the white man Uncle Toms for the phrase to become wide spread.  The same way phrases become wide spread today.  The phrase comes from the book.  Personally, I don't use the phrase.  I'm not going to down a black man for bettering himself and once he betters himself I would hope that he would want to help others better themselves but I don't see that as a trait that most successful people share.  If you're from the guetto and you're successful and you get out of the guetto more power to you. 


Then how out of whack is islam? Everyone can make a journey except few come back "enlighten" yet others come back full of hate?


I'm an agnostic.  I can't explain to you the mindset of any religious person, much less the radical Muslim. I will say though that it's probably not the pilgramage that holds the key to the radical mind vs. the enlightened mind but the environment.  Malcolm's background as a pimp and a product of the streets led to him falling in with radicals and that is what he knew of the religion until he found out that the religion was not what the Nation of Islam was really teaching.  Some people are far more weak minded than him and will just blindly follow where others are leading.  I don't know, bro, and I'll likely never know why some Muslims believe that fear, terror, and murder are what the Koran teaches. 


And I'm telling you there is no subconscience involved in today's owners. There subconscience is about making the most money possible. Since liberals hate rich wealthy people, you have to realize greed and keeping power has nothing to do with black, white or any other color.


How the eff do you know there is no subconscience involved?  that's just ridiculous. 


  How many black assistants have gone back to college to attempt gaining head man experience?


I have no idea and neither do you.  I'm sure if you look around college football there are a lot of assistant coaches that are black but head guys are upwards of 95% white.  95%!!!  You're not going to convince anyone that is's just because black players don't go back to college to coach. 

I do think it isn't right how skewed the numbers are in the NFL and college football in terms of coaching but it's hard to feel sympathy when coach's think they are too good for certain jobs.  Watch the documentary on Sylvester Croom, he said no to I believe it was 10 jobs and even said no thanks to the MSU job until he was pressured into it.


So how many other examples do you have?  Most star players will not want to go through working their way up the coaching ranks. Not just black players but all star players.  Players without big names would and do work their way up the ranks.  What schools did Croom turn down?  I mean the guy had been an OC in the NFL, I don't blame him for believing he deserved a better job than an NAIA school.  I can understand, growing up in the south, why he may not want to take a head coaching job in the south or be the first black head coach in the SEC. At the end of the day, you have no idea why a guy may turn down a job, if it's a feeling of wanting things handed to them or ego or just not feeling it's the right job for them. 

I'm not saying the media, I just find huge hypocrisy is that argument. Black retreads=saintly, white retreads=racist. How is that an argument to be taken seriously?


Anyone who is making that argument about black RETREADS needs to look further into it because there are barely any black head coaches to be retread.    

Wouldn't the black coach's situation would happen if "retread" black coach's would go take coordinator jobs and new black coach's get a chance and fill the pool with more retread possibilities instead of b*tching about how recently fired black coach's better get a HC job or it's racist?


Outside of Lovie Smith, who had almost a decade of pretty successful coaching on Chicago, which black coach wasn't willing to go back into the rank and file and work their way back up?  Raheem Morris did.  Jim Caldwell did.  Neither of them were even offered a coordinator job and went back to be position coaches.  Crennel did it last time he was fired so I'm sure he will again.  So who are these guys who are bitching?    


 You criticize me for my opinion on driving being a right but you say gay marriage is a right.


Are we really going back to driving?  Look, as we already covered, when I wanted to drive I had to get a permit, then I had to take a written test, then I had to take a road test and they could have denied me my license had I failed (which as embarrassing as it is I did twice before I passed) not to mention I have to have them renewed every so often.  To get married all I had to do was apply for a license and have the ceremony performed.  It was that simple for me to marry a woman but if I fell in love with a man I wouldn't have been able to do it at all.  I'm just not sure how anyone justifies that.