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Homosexual NFL Player

February 11, 2013 8:21 pm
Marriage is between two people.  DOMA was the law change that specified that marriage was "between one man and one woman."  All subsequent state laws that have adopted same-sex marriages have done so based on their state constitutions, that define marriage between two people.
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No, ADR is wrong, in western civilization marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman, only recently have some malicious idiots tried to promote their own political agenda's by changing it. Doma, was teh DEFENSE of marriage act and was approved to DEFEND the traditional marriage definition. Anyone who tells you differently is a revisionist idiot.
Wrong, Sol.  Read the Act.  

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-1
04publ199/html/PLAW-104publ199.htm

Section 7:

Sec. 7. Definition of `marriage' and `spouse' ``In determining the meaning of any Act of Congress, or of any ruling, regulation, or interpretation of the various administrative bureaus and agencies of the United States, the word `marriage' means only a legal union between one man and one woman as husband and wife, and the word `spouse' refers only to a person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife.''.

Read it again, if you continue to foolishly insist that "western civilization marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman" ... because up until DOMA, it legally had not.  That's a fact.  

That's precisely, I repeat PRECISELY what the Act did.

The act also (Section 2(a)) implemented a mandate that no state is required to recognize marriages made legal by their own consitutions.  This was to combat the growing recognition that most state constitutions defined marriage as an act between two people and that the U.S. constitution never defined marriage being "between a man and a woman."

Use logic, Sol.  If the U.S. Constitution or state constitutions already defined marriage between a man and a woman (instead of "two people"), then why on Earth would DOMA need to be written to clarify "between a man and a woman"??

Seriously, read the act.  It'll help you in this discussion.  



The ADR
SinceJan 6, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 9:04 am
Read it again, if you continue to foolishly insist that "western civilization marriage has always been defined as between a man and a woman" ... because up until DOMA, it legally had not.  That's a fact.
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NO ADR IS WRONG , ... AGAIN (not surprising in the least). You are an idiot ADR, I didn't say "legally" because prior to DOMA, it was undefined in a legal sense. All DOMA did was codify into law what the definition was since the advent of western civilization.
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There simply is NO LEGAL PRECEDENT acknowledging it was anything other than 1 man 1 woman, but because of revisionist idiots, DOMA was required to legally define it.
NFL-Solomon
SinceMar 8, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 10:51 am
NO ADR IS WRONG , ... AGAIN (not surprising in the least). You are an idiot ADR, I didn't say "legally" because prior to DOMA, it was undefined in a legal sense. All DOMA did was codify into law what the definition was since the advent of western civilization.
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There simply is NO LEGAL PRECEDENT acknowledging it was anything other than 1 man 1 woman, but because of revisionist idiots, DOMA was required to legally define it.
So because YOU think something was always a certain way that means it should not change? 
badmonkey29
SinceOct 21, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 1:40 pm
So because YOU think something was always a certain way that means it should not change? 
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This has nothing to do with my opinion of the matter there killer. It has to do with precedent. I say, show me where a marriage in the US before you Libtards went nuts, say before 1995, that involved some other combination other than Man-Woman, and I'll show you where you can find 50,000 man-woman ones.
NFL-Solomon
SinceMar 8, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 1:44 pm
It has to do with precedent. I say, show me where a marriage in the US before you Libtards went nuts, say before 1995, that involved some other combination other than Man-Woman, and I'll show you where you can find 50,000 man-woman ones.


Prior to 1967, you would have said the same thing about interracial marriage. You would have been accurate, but wrong just the same in the thought that it should stay that way. 
PittSteel058
SinceSep 26, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 3:17 pm
but wrong just the same in the thought that it should stay that way.
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Purely opinion and ignorantly speculative in it's worth. But before you go all "BIGOT" on me, I do not base any of my own opinion on moral, religious, nor phobic grounds.
NFL-Solomon
SinceMar 8, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 3:34 pm
Purely opinion and ignorantly speculative in it's worth. But before you go all "BIGOT" on me, I do not base any of my own opinion on moral, religious, nor phobic grounds.
Regardless of the grounds, then, am I to deduce that your opinion is that interracial marriage is bad in some way? Or do you agree with American society as a whole that it is ok?


PittSteel058
SinceSep 26, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 3:42 pm
Even if he is a bigot, so what?? the only people that try to convert others are christians and vegeterians...  i am neither, so i dont need to convert anyone into believing what i do...
yanksfan92
SinceDec 29, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 3:49 pm
the only people that try to convert others are christians and vegeterians
Very true. Good point.
sonny_objective
SinceMar 18, 2009
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:04 pm
the only people that try to convert others are christians and vegeterians
Very true. Good point.
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You forgot about Scientologists.
NFL-Solomon
SinceMar 8, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:10 pm
never met anyone brave enough to admit they are a scientologist, so i did not know they too try to convert others... 
yanksfan92
SinceDec 29, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:57 pm
You forgot about Scientologists.
And Jews.
And Muslums.
And Atheists.
And Buddhists.
And Mormons.
And Agnostics.
And Jehova's Witnesses.

They can all get preachy about their beliefs.
objectiveobsvr
SinceJan 19, 2007
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:03 pm
Regardless of the grounds, then, am I to deduce that your opinion is that interracial marriage is bad in some way? Or do you agree with American society as a whole that it is ok?
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As long as it is man-woman, as fits the historic definition of marriage, I'm fine with it, no matter anyone's "color".
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No, my objection isn't against homosexuality, but rather A.) Redefining marriage, B.) preventing the erosion of the models of societal building blocks.

NFL-Solomon
SinceMar 8, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:14 pm
No, my objection isn't against homosexuality, but rather A.) Redefining marriage, B.) preventing the erosion of the models of societal building blocks.
Words are redefined all the time and how is allowing two people of the same sex, who by the way were not going to get married anyway enter into a marriage an erosion of societal building blocks? If anything I would argue it enforces those models by persuading individuals to lead committed relationships instead of having multiple partners their whole life. 
badmonkey29
SinceOct 21, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:16 pm

i didnt know marriage still existed, we call it pre-divorse where i come from.

yanksfan92
SinceDec 29, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:20 pm
What you are doing is saying "the earth is flat, it has been proven" even though everyone knows A.) You're an idiot, and B.) You are lying.
I don't know about that. I have given this much thought and wouldn't put them in that category. I would put them in the category of people who think the moon landing never happened and actually took place in some studio somewhere OR that the holocaust never really happened and it was all a lie.
sonny_objective
SinceMar 18, 2009
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:26 pm
people who think the moon landing never happened and actually took place in some studio



Wait, are you saying it didn't take place in a studio???
enchanter24
SinceAug 10, 2006
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:17 pm
Words are redefined all the time and how is allowing two people of the same sex, who by the way were not going to get married anyway enter into a marriage an erosion of societal building blocks? If anything I would argue it enforces those models by persuading individuals to lead committed relationships instead of having multiple partners their whole life. 
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I will answer this in the proper venue. The NFL-General board is not that venue. I am already amazed this hasn't been Off-Topiced yet/.
NFL-Solomon
SinceMar 8, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:20 pm
<strong> </strong>

<blockquote class="QuoteMessage"> <strong> Words are redefined all the time and how is allowing two people of the same sex, who by the way were not going to get married anyway enter into a marriage an erosion of societal building blocks? If anything I would argue it enforces those models by persuading individuals to lead committed relationships instead of having multiple partners their whole life. </strong> <br /> -<br /> I will answer this in the proper venue. The NFL-General board is not that venue. I am already amazed this hasn't been Off-Topiced yet/</blockquote>

What a cop out. 

badmonkey29
SinceOct 21, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:29 pm
No, my objection isn't against homosexuality, but rather A.) Redefining marriage, B.) preventing the erosion of the models of societal building blocks.
Fair enough. So that means that you truly believe that by redefining marriage that the "societal building blocks" would be eroded. 

That is an interesting take, and I would be intrigued to know how you define a "societal buliding block." You mentioned plural, so I am also curious as to some other notions that are considered to be societal building blocks.


PittSteel058
SinceSep 26, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:53 pm
Wouldn't the societal building block model become outdated if not allowed to ever change? Part of the reason (not all) that this country is going down the chit shoot is because our educational system is still using 1950's models to educate our kids. Kids from other countries, not subjected to our educational models, on average, are vastly superior to us in math and science, as well as being fluent in 2 or 3 languages (or more) by the time they are ready for the work force.
sonny_objective
SinceMar 18, 2009
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 5:25 pm
 Part of the reason (not all) that this country is going down the chit shoot is because our educational system is still using 1950's models to educate our kids.
UNTRUE..  you are a funny guy and clown though!  Can I be your agent?
WhatIsIsIs
SinceSep 20, 2011
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 8:21 pm
It is definitely one component of the reason. You're the clown.
sonny_objective
SinceMar 18, 2009
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 2:55 pm
This has nothing to do with my opinion of the matter there killer. It has to do with precedent. I say, show me where a marriage in the US before you Libtards went nuts, say before 1995, that involved some other combination other than Man-Woman, and I'll show you where you can find 50,000 man-woman ones.
That reasoning is not sufficent to deny a person their right to marry another consenting adult. Good luck and I hope that is the argument the defense uses when arguing the case in the SCOTUS. 
badmonkey29
SinceOct 21, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 2:59 pm
Well accorng to some if we allow gay marriage then sooner or later we will allow man-animal marraiges...  i say that sheep looks like a good lay...
yanksfan92
SinceDec 29, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 3:15 pm
Well accorng to some if we allow gay marriage then sooner or later we will allow man-animal marraiges...  i say that sheep looks like a good lay...
Those who say that are uneducated inbred morons. Can an animal give consent to enter a legal contract like marriage?
badmonkey29
SinceOct 21, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 3:18 pm

Consent is overrated.

Signed, Ben

FortheLulz
SinceSep 25, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 3:21 pm
So looks like we win.
sonny_objective
SinceMar 18, 2009
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 3:19 pm

That reasoning is not sufficent to deny a person their right to marry another consenting adult.
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No one is denying ANYONE the right to marry a consenting adult since marriage is between a man and a woman. Show me one instance where a gay person has been refused the right to marry (man-woman), ... you can't.

 

NFL-Solomon
SinceMar 8, 2008
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Homosexual NFL Player

February 12, 2013 4:10 pm
No one is denying ANYONE the right to marry a consenting adult since marriage is between a man and a woman. Show me one instance where a gay person has been refused the right to marry (man-woman), ... you can't.
You have already been proven wrong about this several times. 
badmonkey29
SinceOct 21, 2008