If Percy is traded and to whom for what

I think it's you that doesn't see him that way Nos.....there are many in the "football world" that view him similar to what I do


Holy chit hutch, do you ever just STFU? No, not many people see it your way, not any fans on this site anyhow, like I said not one person put him in the top 10, ASIDE FROM ME! damn man it never stops with you, you think you are always right no matter what the hell we are talking about and no matter how much proof there is against your opinion. It's seriously freakin' annoying.

Are you having some sort of melt down Nos.....someone disagrees with your opinion and you go off like a little child.....grow up already you little baby.  The one that is annoying is you.......I could care less whether you think he's top ten or not, it's just your opinion nothing more. You said no one thought he was MVP material other than me before he was injured and you were wrong on that one too. I think it's you that needs to STFU already......The fact you are trying to comapre him to just being a WR shows how ignorant you are ....I know you are not stupid so obviously you enjoy being an a$$. In case you missed all the article recently of him being considered MVP material, including by Spielman, you may want to read them before you respond with your typical crap again. Usually when someone is being considered MVP material it usually makes them ELITE and TOP 10 in a few things idoit. Think before you post as your childish crap has gotten old along time ago....

You really are the most ignorant person I have ever met on CBS in my five years of posting here. I have put up with quest and dougie's stupidity for years but you got both beat in a landslide. Not one time have you ever admitted to even the possibility you could be wrong about anything, at least not that i've seen, nobody is 100% right all the time hutch, not even the great hutch, especially when the great hutch has never used anything but opinions to try and prove people wrong.

First off, I ADMITTED it was my opinion, just as I said there were many others who shared my opinion, I have not come across one person aside from you and maybe other Vikings fans that put him in the top 10. Secondly I wasn't even talking to you or trying to put your moronic opinions down, I was simply stating FACT, most people don't view him as a top 10 wideout.

Being told to grow up by someone who calls people retard, that never gets old.

MVP material huh? Well maybe it's just me but you have to do something pretty special to be a real MVP canidate, Harvin has never done anything special, at least not in the NFL unless of course 1300 yards from scrimmage and 9 total TD's is special, probably is in your world but its not even close to MVP material in the real world, but i'm sure you'll play the what if game right hutch, well he was on his way to good numbers, fact is it didnt happen did it, get back to me when you have any sort of facts to back up him being MVP worthy, until then shut up already geez.

Wow, you told me to STFU, just like I did you, pretty original there punk.

Compare him to just being a wide receiver shows how ignorant you are??? You seriously this stupid? That thread I mentioned where not one person named him in the top 10, did I mention that I DID put him in the top 10, simply because of what else he can do aside from catch, I dont suppose you read that part did ya simpleton?

You are simply to freakin' stupid to hold a conversation with, it's a damn miracle you walk freely amongst us.

Usually when someone is being considered MVP material it usually makes them ELITE and TOP 10 in a few things idoit. Think before you post as your childish crap has gotten old along time ago....


More idiotic opinions trying to be passed off as fact huh hutch?

Try to pay attention.

Percy Harvin has ZERO seasons of 1,000 yards rushing or receiving = FACT
Percy Harvin has never had a season in which he scored double digit TD's, even when including his rushing and return TD's = FACT
Percy Harvin has averaged 7.25 TD's per season = FACT
Percy Harvin has averaged 10.75 starts a season = FACT
Percy Harvin has a career Y/R of 11.8 = FACT
Percy Harvin's longest offensive touchdown is 53 yards = FACT


The only offensive category he's ever finished in the top 10 in was receptions in 2011 when he finished 6th.

In conclusion, he has never gained 1,000 yards receiving, he has never gone for 10 td's in a season, he only averages a little more than 7 td's a year, he on average only starts about 11 games a year, he only averages 11.8 yards per reception and his career long is only 53 yards, you'd think with all that elite ability he could break a tackle or two and go 80 yards at least once in his career oh and he's not really much of a deep threat.


Yeah, thats elite alright, well hutch looks like facts proved your opinion wrong............... Again although i'm sure you don't think so.
Unless of course you have some facts to prove the facts above wrong? Let me guess, Brent Musburger said he was elite in October so that makes it FACT.

all i got to say is this is really fn smart!!!!! if we let him get away we are already in need of a reciever with!!!!! him!!!!! fn stupid just like we let rice go!!! fn dumb as shit**** pay the man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Harvin’s salary for 2013, the last of his of his rookie deal, nearly doubled for 2013 – to $2.9 million – because of incentives he met in 2012. Despite missing the final seven games of the season after injuring his ankle, he had 62 catches for 677 yards and was being talked about as a potential MVP candidate midway through the season.

Here's one from Scout.com.......

Harvin’s salary for 2013, the last of his of his rookie deal, nearly doubled for 2013 – to $2.9 million – because of incentives he met in 2012. Despite missing the final seven games of the season after injuring his ankle, he had 62 catches for 677 yards and was being talked about as a potential MVP candidate midway through the season.

Fox...

The Minnesota Vikings will not get fair value for do-everything receiver Percy Harvin, and they know it. They just might have to deal him anyway.

And if they do, he should end up being the highest paid of all wide receivers to change teams this offseason, and for good reason. If I were running a team, Harvin would leap to the top of my receiver wish list. I'll take Harvin at, say, $12.5 million a year over Mike Wallace at $11 million or Greg Jennings at $10 million, even if I have to give up a second-round pick and then some to get him.

Harvin has already displayed that he can be a difference maker on an offensively inept team, and heaven only knows what the dynamic and versatile threat could accomplish on a contending team that had a capable quarterback and a few other weapons around him in the passing game. It's a luxury that some lucky offensive coach (Andy Reid, anyone?) just might get to partake in come the 2013 season, given the bind in which Vikings general manager Rick Spielman find himself

As for other general managers, especially those sitting on mounds of cap space and in need of match-up nightmares on offense, well, Harvin must be seen as the best available. For all of the depth of this wide receiver class, Harvin is younger than Wes Welker, far more versatile that Wallace, no more fragile than Jennings and more consistent than Dwayne Bowe.

What's more, Harvin can help you win a football game on every down. He is one of the best return threats in the NFL and an elite slot receiver. Of course, you can also line him up out wide. And he proved to be a game-changer out of the backfield with the Vikings as well, the best back on the team not named Adrian Peterson. If you want to run some read-option/Wildcat stuff, well, he could quarterback that for you if need be. He is too fast to be covered by most, and his agility and improvisational skills make him a perfect fit for this pass-happy/spread formation era of football.

Harvin is just entering his prime and seems to have put his migraine problems behind him. This is someone who was a legitimate MVP candidate last season before getting hurt and someone who can match up among the best in the game at several different positions. And let's not pretend that these other receivers are a sure thing, as Jennings has been oft-injured and is nearing age 30, Bowe drops plenty of balls, Wallace wilted under the pressure of playing in a contract year in 2012 following his prolonged hold-out, and it's also worth noting that Wallace and Jennings have played with future Hall of Fame quarterbacks while Harvin has played, with, well, pretty much no one.

Also, I can't state this strongly enough: Harvin doesn't turn 25 until the end May. He's younger that Colin Kaepernick, for goodness sake, despite entering his fifth NFL season. And he can beat you in the screen game. He can beat you in the intermediate passing game. He can beat you in the deep game. And he can beat you carrying the football.

I understand the injury concerns. I understand some of the issues of attitude and clashing with coaches. But I have talked to enough of his teammates to understand some of Harvin's frustrations with the lack of a full-bodied offensive attack with the Vikings, and to a man his teammates say he is driven to win. He can be immature and he's made some mistakes, but no one this talented hits the trade market this young unless there have been a few bumps in the road.

I'd take my chances with him.

In terms of yards after the catch, his numbers last season were nearly identical to those of Darren Sproles, again, without being a part of an offense nearly as balanced as the New Orleans', and without Drew Brees getting him the football. All he's done is average a ridiculous 6.4 yards per carry in his career. He has five career return touchdowns. His average of 74 scrimmage yards per game -- from 2009 to 2012 -- puts him right with receivers like DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson, and among all players with at least 50 rushes and 100 receptions since 2009, Harvin's average of 10.3 scrimmage yards per touch is far and away tops in the NFL.

I'm having a hard time even coming up with a large list of individuals who approach at least 100 rushes and at least 250 receptions since 2009 -- numbers Harvin eclipses despite the time he has missed. Sproles has at least 250 catches and rushes since 2009, in 61 games, and averages 7.1 per touch with 26 touchdowns; Harvin has 10.3 per touch with 24 touchdowns in 54 games, and is a more explosive and complete receiver than Sproles, obviously.

Harvin's game can't be captured in stats, however. To watch him sneak out of tight spaces and create yards where there are none, and explode downfield despite everyone on the other side keying on him in the passing game, and despite playing on teams with no semblance of a downfield threat, is to be pulled from your seat.

The young man is a football player, plain and simple, and his best is yet to come. Unfortunately for Spielman and Vikings fans, that just might transpire elsewhere

La Canfora

those enough stas and opinions for you Nosy ???  There are more ...   As a player can't control who his QB or how many times he is targeted ...as you like to use for your useless stats. Lets just use the real important one....what he does when he gets the ball in his hands. he's one of the very best period when he has the ball...Elite, MVP calibre ....easily>

“Percy Harvin is a blue-chip player. He is a game changer,” Spielman said. “He was on track to be a potential MVP and we were very fortunate to have two players and we had one that did win the MVP award. We are very fortunate to have two players of that caliber on our football team

Oh...forgot GM Spielmans comments....

At a time when most teams are looking to add talent to their teams, the Vikings’ major concern in mid-February is what to do with a star talent in a contract year?

As is often the case, when the media gets hold of a story, they turn it into a reality TV show – a far cry from true “reality,” but rather the reality being presented.

Over the past few days, the steam on [Percy Harvin] and the Vikings potentially parting ways has increased to the point that the kettle on the stove is screaming. In many ways, it has picked up similar momentum to the discord that led [Jared Allen] out of Kansas City several years ago.

But, in the Allen saga, there was a smoking gun – general manager Carl Peterson. In the Harvin story, there isn’t.

In Kansas City, the split between Allen and the organization was brought to a head by Peterson. Allen had been something of a party boy and it had caught up with him – he had received a pair of DWI arrests. Peterson made a public comment that Allen was a young man at risk, insinuating that Allen’s problems were ahead of him, not behind him. Feeling betrayed, Allen went to the ownership and said he wanted to be traded.

In Minnesota, there has been no such defining moment. Last spring at minicamp, Harvin let it be known that he was unhappy. The automatic assumption was that it had to do with what he was being paid, which was far less than what he was worth in NFL terms. Word then came out that Harvin had demanded a trade – an allegation that Harvin vehemently denied. Once the season started, it became a dead issue … until Harvin got hurt.

The rumor mill began flying after Harvin was inexplicably placed on injured reserve when his ankle injury didn’t heal as quickly as expected. Word got out that Harvin had a blow up with even-keeled head coach Leslie Frazier in front of several teammates. Harvin had a similar experience with Brad Childress, but that was understandable because Childress was a hard-nosed coach. By all accounts and interactions, it’s not difficult to get along with Frazier.

It was that shred of information – one that Frazier has sidestepped in interviews since and Harvin hasn’t spoken to at all – that started the recent wave of stories about the allegedly pending divorce of Harvin and the Vikings.

Since then, the momentum of the story has propelled it into the atmosphere of unnamed sources that has taken hold in the last few days. Over the weekend, a story broke that the Vikings were looking to trade Harvin, without confirmation from Percy or anyone with decision-making power with the Vikings. Since then, the story has spawned a life of its own.

The NFL’s official website ran a story Monday laying out the most likely landing spots for Harvin in a trade – not citing the rationale for making a deal. Later that same day, the popular NFL news clearing house site ProFootballTalk.com ran a story that Harvin will likely hold out of training camp and perhaps as much as 10 weeks of the regular season if he doesn’t get a contract extension.

Until Harvin or someone in the organization actually goes on record and says that a split is needed, conjecture is currently winning the day. Vikings G.M. Rick Spielman has skirted the issue in interviews, diverting relatively straightforward questions on the topic away from a direct answer. That may actually be the most solid evidence of an underlying issue. Frazier has done the same. Harvin and his people have said nothing publicly to date. Yet, the story continues to grow and spread.

It would seem clear that there is a rift between Harvin and the Vikings. Those outside the walls at Winter Park can speculate and draw their own conclusions, but, until someone directly involved actually speaks to the matter, this story is going to continue to expand upon itself.

Over the next two months, something is likely going to have to get done. Harvin may be traded. He may be approached to sign a contract extension. He may end up holding out if he isn’t moved. All of those are possibilities, but none of them have been proved yet.

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Just another article on Harvin but I posted this one as it refers to this past spring....It states Harvin  VEHEMENTLY DENIED demanding a trade. Just wondering Nos...you said it was fact that he did demand one.....guess maybe it was just your opinion again or do you actually have PROOF he did ???

Percy is a cancer and it doesnt matter what team he is on he will just bring it down with his loser additude. He couldve been a special player but he chose to be a idiot instead. The Vikings have AD so we dont need a runner the viking cant let him return kicks becuse he`s fragile. He cant go deep , which makes him wporthless to our team, he will be gone and the sooner the better. You can stare at his picture on your ceiling all you want Hutchess he still will never be a MVP of the nfl, being talk about being a mvp and accually being one are two total different things. Get back to me when he accomplishes something worthy talking about other then being a cancer. CAN YOU SAY TERRELL OWENS OR OCHO STINKO because both of them couldve been something too but chose to be harvin like also. Percy Harvin will never win a championship in the pro`s being a self centered player, but I bet he can roll a FATT DOOOBIE.

its also hard to be the MVP of football wen you arent even the MVP of your team

You are entitled to your opinion FSN..... I think ignarentL, MV711, Mary Jane and a few others make really solid points too that I tend to agree with.........La Confora pretty much nailed it though with a real fact based opinion....kinda like what some of us have been saying all along.  If Harvin gets on a team with an offensive game plan and players to compliment his skills he will put up monster numbers. On a Viking team that is focused on AD and has a no deep threat and one of the worst QB's (performance wise) in the league that can't run an offence then no WR of any talent, Harvin or other wise is going to want to be a part of this team.....unless it's strictly about getting paid the most. Most players like Harvin who is driven to win (per his team mates) wants to be a big part of the success and on a team that suits thier skill set.....Nothing wrong with that.

Hutch-You are entitled to your opinion FSN..... 
thats a nice way in saying FSN you are a idiot!! lolololol your entire post is ludacris idont even know where to start.... 

thats a nice way in saying FSN you are a idiot!! lolololol your entire post is ludacris idont even know where to start.... 








   the biggest idiot talking about idiots now thats classic

Nos...you said it was fact that he did demand one


No I didn't, I said it was reported he did, how could I say it was fact if I didn't know it was? There is a difference between you and I hutch, I don't go around saying things are facts if they aren't, you on the other hand do.


You can think he's a great guy all you want hutch, fact is he has proven otherwise on several occaisions.


Fact is he has been a cancer in high school, college and now the pros, doesn't matter how much you like him those are facts.


I love how you dont repsond to anything I say, you just continue with the same garbage.


Percy Harvin is a good player, but he's not a good person, and I don't think it's a smart move to give Mr. MeMeMe a chitload of money.


Funny you cried for months about AD's contract, now you wanna hand over a big chunk of coin to someone who doesn't deserve it, at least IN MY OPINION he doesn't. Maybe if he stopped only thinking about himself, stopped yelling at coaches, put the team first and actually had an all pro type season it would make sense to give him alot of money, but right now it doesn't.

I love how you dont repsond to anything I say, you just continue with the same garbage

Really Nos.....I think I responded alot just recently....I'll repost as you are having a tough time with it....here is La Canfora's opinion and pretty much mine and I'm guessing a few others too.....If you have problems with these stats, comments made or disagree with please post them....



Harvin’s salary for 2013, the last of his of his rookie deal, nearly doubled for 2013 – to $2.9 million – because of incentives he met in 2012. Despite missing the final seven games of the season after injuring his ankle, he had 62 catches for 677 yards and was being talked about as a potential MVP candidate midway through the season.

Here's one from Scout.com.......

Harvin’s salary for 2013, the last of his of his rookie deal, nearly doubled for 2013 – to $2.9 million – because of incentives he met in 2012. Despite missing the final seven games of the season after injuring his ankle, he had 62 catches for 677 yards and was being talked about as a potential MVP candidate midway through the season.

Fox...

The Minnesota Vikings will not get fair value for do-everything receiver Percy Harvin, and they know it. They just might have to deal him anyway.

And if they do, he should end up being the highest paid of all wide receivers to change teams this offseason, and for good reason. If I were running a team, Harvin would leap to the top of my receiver wish list. I'll take Harvin at, say, $12.5 million a year over Mike Wallace at $11 million or Greg Jennings at $10 million, even if I have to give up a second-round pick and then some to get him.

Harvin has already displayed that he can be a difference maker on an offensively inept team, and heaven only knows what the dynamic and versatile threat could accomplish on a contending team that had a capable quarterback and a few other weapons around him in the passing game. It's a luxury that some lucky offensive coach (Andy Reid, anyone?) just might get to partake in come the 2013 season, given the bind in which Vikings general manager Rick Spielman find himself

As for other general managers, especially those sitting on mounds of cap space and in need of match-up nightmares on offense, well, Harvin must be seen as the best available. For all of the depth of this wide receiver class, Harvin is younger than Wes Welker, far more versatile that Wallace, no more fragile than Jennings and more consistent than Dwayne Bowe.

What's more, Harvin can help you win a football game on every down. He is one of the best return threats in the NFL and an elite slot receiver. Of course, you can also line him up out wide. And he proved to be a game-changer out of the backfield with the Vikings as well, the best back on the team not named Adrian Peterson. If you want to run some read-option/Wildcat stuff, well, he could quarterback that for you if need be. He is too fast to be covered by most, and his agility and improvisational skills make him a perfect fit for this pass-happy/spread formation era of football.

Harvin is just entering his prime and seems to have put his migraine problems behind him. This is someone who was a legitimate MVP candidate last season before getting hurt and someone who can match up among the best in the game at several different positions. And let's not pretend that these other receivers are a sure thing, as Jennings has been oft-injured and is nearing age 30, Bowe drops plenty of balls, Wallace wilted under the pressure of playing in a contract year in 2012 following his prolonged hold-out, and it's also worth noting that Wallace and Jennings have played with future Hall of Fame quarterbacks while Harvin has played, with, well, pretty much no one.

Also, I can't state this strongly enough: Harvin doesn't turn 25 until the end May. He's younger that Colin Kaepernick, for goodness sake, despite entering his fifth NFL season. And he can beat you in the screen game. He can beat you in the intermediate passing game. He can beat you in the deep game. And he can beat you carrying the football.

I understand the injury concerns. I understand some of the issues of attitude and clashing with coaches. But I have talked to enough of his teammates to understand some of Harvin's frustrations with the lack of a full-bodied offensive attack with the Vikings, and to a man his teammates say he is driven to win. He can be immature and he's made some mistakes, but no one this talented hits the trade market this young unless there have been a few bumps in the road.

I'd take my chances with him.

In terms of yards after the catch, his numbers last season were nearly identical to those of Darren Sproles, again, without being a part of an offense nearly as balanced as the New Orleans', and without Drew Brees getting him the football. All he's done is average a ridiculous 6.4 yards per carry in his career. He has five career return touchdowns. His average of 74 scrimmage yards per game -- from 2009 to 2012 -- puts him right with receivers like DeSean Jackson and Vincent Jackson, and among all players with at least 50 rushes and 100 receptions since 2009, Harvin's average of 10.3 scrimmage yards per touch is far and away tops in the NFL.

I'm having a hard time even coming up with a large list of individuals who approach at least 100 rushes and at least 250 receptions since 2009 -- numbers Harvin eclipses despite the time he has missed. Sproles has at least 250 catches and rushes since 2009, in 61 games, and averages 7.1 per touch with 26 touchdowns; Harvin has 10.3 per touch with 24 touchdowns in 54 games, and is a more explosive and complete receiver than Sproles, obviously.

Harvin's game can't be captured in stats, however. To watch him sneak out of tight spaces and create yards where there are none, and explode downfield despite everyone on the other side keying on him in the passing game, and despite playing on teams with no semblance of a downfield threat, is to be pulled from your seat.

The young man is a football player, plain and simple, and his best is yet to come. Unfortunately for Spielman and Vikings fans, that just might transpire elsewhere

La Canfora

Loopk forward to your comments...hopefully it's ok if I don't STFU like you had requested......

On a side note.  Like Hutch has brought up, the Patriots would be a perfect fit (Harvin's numbers would explode with Brady throwing him the ball because he can dunk it and launch it and BB would know what to call). They are built to have a WR of his talents. 

Personally, if I were the Vikings GM, and putting personal feelings aside.  I would have to take a hard look at whether I want to spend the type of money he will want on a player that the Vikings aren't built around and appear not to build around in the future.  It is built right now around AP and his contract and hoping to find a legitimate deep threat to counter that.  Percy and his behind the line catches (does nothing to help AP) and Ponder's inability to stretch (so far) it would lead me to actively trying to trade him to get a 2nd and maybe use it to move up in the first if you find that WR with No.1 deep threat ability.

One thing I noticed, was once Jarius Wright was making catches in the middle of the field, down the field.  AP started having those bigger games.  Something curious about it.  Why wasn't Harvin sent on those patterns.  He has the speed and ability.

My last paragraph could be because Ponder WAS able to hit a couple deep passes near the end of the season.  I hope he has that success in the future. It's the deep sideline passes he can't make right now.

One thing I noticed, was once Jarius Wright was making catches in the middle of the field, down the field.  AP started having those bigger games.  Something curious about it.  Why wasn't Harvin sent on those patterns.  He has the speed and ability.

I wondered the same thing. It really seemed like the Wright was a less talented version of Harvin in terms of being a receiver, but the Vikings seemed to use them in different ways. I guess, while bein built similar, they just have different talents. 

I really don't want to trade Harvin, but at the same time I don't want the type of player he is on this team. Now "the type of player he is" may be incorrect. I just have a hard time assuming that all this stuff is coming out because he is an awesome teammate or really happy to be here. Obviously, no one really knows what is going on behind the scene, but if it has come to this, there is obviously some type of disagreement because he is an incredible player.

That said, if you build the line up for AD, have Wright and Rudolph catching those passes over the middle, and then get a young guy that can stretch the field, that would be a pretty solid offense. The Vikings need to find a third-down back though. I think Gerhart is talented, but he is just a waste of a pick (in which they traded a 2nd and a 3rd to move up to get him) for this team. I think he can go someplace and compliment a Darren Sproles type back perfectly, but it was just dumb to spend a second round pick on a back like him. 

I wouldn't want the Vikings to trade Percy for anything less than a top 40 pick. Depending on where it is, there should probably be another player or mid-to-late round pick in addition to that top 40 pick. The Vikings are building around AD and that is just the way it is, but that doesn't mean they should give him up for nothing. 

  Hey I was happy they drafted the guy. I wanted him but never thought he`d make it to us in the 20`s. But having him not play up to what he could be on and off the field I have no problem getting rid of him.  He has done nothing to give him big money. Having the talent he does makes you wish he had AD additude in life but he is total opposite of that. If he became a team player he could be good but no thatynks I dont want wasted talent on this team. If he is that good I would think the draft choices will tell you what he really is worth. Again I wish he`d change and become a player everyone wants, but he isnt and never will be in mho. I dont think they need to get rid of him this year either he is only 2.8 or so on the salary cap. But he isnt worth 10 million let alone 7 million, I see Rice all over. a guy with talent but never really pans out like one would think he shouldve.

Personally, if I were the Vikings GM, and putting personal feelings aside.  I would have to take a hard look at whether I want to spend the type of money he will want on a player that the Vikings aren't built around and appear not to build around in the future.  It is built right now around AP and his contract and hoping to find a legitimate deep threat to counter that.


Now that Simmion IMO is probably the number one issue .....

Who ever signs him (assuming he's traded) will definitely build a team around him and there are more than enough teams that'll line up to do so. If it's me I build the team around a player like Harvin and put in a legit QB and that's where, cap wise, I put the money first on foremost on offence as I think in the long run, to make it to the Super Bowl, you kinda have to. Obviously, like you mentioned, the Vikings are have built around AD (player and cap wise) which really doesn't work for paying Harvin that kinda of money...deserving or not.

If we do end up trading him one team I would look at is the Jags but more so making them an offer with Harvin for Blackmon. The Jags have cap space so that's not an issue. Blackmon has had only partial success mainly because of Gabbert not being able to get him the ball. If we are going to build around AD then getting Blackmon for Harvin and say a 3rd would be IMO a solid move for both sides.....I think talent wise Harvin is the better player but the Vikings are in a spot and this could benefit both. 

I'm not sure where everyone is getting the 2.9 million for Harvin's salary for this next year. I found this in one of the Rapid Reports that says he is going to make a lot more. "The fourth-year receiver from the University of Florida will become a free agent when his five-year, $12.05 million [contract] expires after the 2013 season. Harvin's cap hit nearly doubles from $2.044 million in 2012 to $4.029 million in 2013. If he is going to be making 4 million this next year Then he needs to STFU and put some good numbers up that justify paying him. I like Harvin's ability as a player, but I hate all of the B.S. that he introduces to the locker room. I was excited to have him fall to the Vikings in the draft, but that was because of his own stupidity and off the field actions. From what I see, he is continuing his ignorant behavior off the field and that is something that I don't want on this team. I have not seen any teammates stepping up to say what a great guy Percy is or what a stellar person he is, unlike AD. Percy Harvin appears to beleive that he is entitled to a big payday just because of who he is and not necessarily because of his body of work. He has done some impressive things and he is a great all around athlete. If he can become a great all around person and teammate then I say pay the man and lets move on. If he can't then let's move him on and bring in someone as a deep threat and continue to build this team around AD and a stout defense with a QB that can manage a game. In fairness, I do beleive that if Percy Harvin had Tom Brady throwing him the ball he would be putting up numbers that surpass Wes Welker's.


Skol Vikings!!! 

If he was that good we would expect at least 2 firsts and a 2nd round draft pick, dont you think ,and what do you think Harvins salary should be in the contract?

Really Nos.....I think I responded alot just recently....I'll repost as you are having a tough time with it....here is La Canfora's opinion and pretty much mine and I'm guessing a few others too.....If you have problems with these stats, comments made or disagree with please post them....


Actually you haven't responded to the things I posted directly, just more of the same. See the thing is I have never argued against Harvin being a good player, all I ever said is that he isn't elite, which he isn't, i'm sorry but until he actually has an elite type season he cant be considered elite, I also said I find it funny you wanna throw a huge chunk of coin at Percy but pee'd down your leg over AD's contract and AD is already proven he is elite, also AD is not the cancer Harvin is.

Oh and i'm not sure what the article proves other than you are trying to pass off someone elses opinions as fact, as I said before I have never said Harvin sucked. He is a good player, what point are you trying to make again?

Actually you haven't responded to the things I posted directly, just more of the same. See the thing is I have never argued against Harvin being a good player, all I ever said is that he isn't elite, which he isn't, i'm sorry but until he actually has an elite type season he cant be considered elite, I also said I find it funny you wanna throw a huge chunk of coin at Percy but pee'd down your leg over AD's contract and AD is already proven he is elite, also AD is not the cancer Harvin is.

Oh and i'm not sure what the article proves other than you are trying to pass off someone elses opinions as fact, as I said before I have never said Harvin sucked. He is a good player, what point are you trying to make again?


Actually Nos, you said no one in the football world thinks Harvin is as good as I think he is.....then when I said that was false you told me...and I quote....STFU. I'm not trying to pass off anyones opinion as mine, I posted an article that I agree with 100 %. In case you missed it I've been high on Harvin prior to the Vikings drafting him and have always stated he is my favourite player and IMO the most dynamic player on the Vikings and pretty much in the league (My opinion) ...this has never changed form day 1. La Confora just layed it out perfectly and said it a whole lot better than I could. The other fun stat he did leave out and this is an important one is Harvin rarely drops the ball...ever. Last season guys like Welker and other top WR's were all around that 10-12 % range for drops....Harvin was second in the league with only drop all last season and 1.5 % drop rate....he's been solid every year as a Viking .

You may not have said Harvin sucked and I never said you did but you have said ...don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out or we need to get rid of this POS. He's not a good player ...he a great player, elite player and will be worth every penny some team pays him. I don't know where anyone has said Harvin is a cancer either...just your opinion again because it's definitely not fact. 

I've also said I would pay Harvin and build a team around him over AD and his contract..  IMO that's a no brainer if your goal is to get to the Super Bowl in this era...again, before you get your panties in a knot Nosy, just my opinion. 

As far as elite goes I think many on here and including La Confora's article have shown just how elite and MVP calibre prior to his injury Harvin was at many different things. There is no one in the the league that can do as much at a high level as Harvin can period.
 

He isn't elite, I dont care who says he is he's not, he has not had an elite season, he might have the ability to become elite but he is not now elite, its not a matter of opinion.

I did say the rest of the world doesn't see him the way you do and while you have shown me that some do, most dont, i'm so happy for you that hes your favorite player, thats cool, I have no problem with that at all, but you went after AD when that stuff went down in Houston, everything was dropped and he has never been in trouble before or sense (You also never admitted to being wrong about that) Harvin has been in and out of trouble since he was a teenager but you seem to think that doesnt mean anything when it really does.

I did say dont let the door hit you in the a$$ and I mean it, I dont want a selfish disrespectful player like him on the team I love, is it ok I feel that way?

I've also said I would pay Harvin and build a team around him over AD and his contract..  IMO that's a no brainer if your goal is to get to the Super Bowl in this era...again, before you get your panties in a knot Nosy, just my opinion. 

Thats your opinion and while I used to respect your opinion I dont anymore but you obviously can post it whenever you like, building a team around a cancer that hasnt proven anything, not a good idea IMO, but building one around arguably the best running back since Walter Peyton, and a player who has actually proven his worth is a great idea, all Harvin has is potential, four years in the league and he hasn't lived up to that potential yet, not sure what makes you or anyone else think it's a lock he ever does. 

My only hope is when Percy is traded you follow him to that teams board.

I received a request from the one and only, Koko.  He still visits the site while being "away".  Via his NGS account he wanted me to forward something.   Hopefully this is not my last cbs message as I am aiding a CBS felon.  He still enjoys these debates and hopes to be back soon.  Since this topic might be THE topic of the Vikings offseason.  He should get his say.

I read the article about Harvin by La Canforia. He evidently forgot Percy played with Brett Favre a couple years as he stated that he has not played with a good QB.(Paraphrasing)

Sure Harvin was blowing up early in the year. There were 2 guys Ponder could throw to. Rudolph and Percy. The way defenses set up to stop Peterson and Rudolph not being nearly quick enough out of his breaks resulted in bubble screens and mismatches on LBs. When AP got healthier, as the season went on, I thought Harvin would be even more deadly. That didn't materialize. Percy is best used in clearout routes that result in a bunch of YAC. When the rest of the league reasoned there was no chance at deep passes they started taking that away.

Do you guys realize how much 1 on 1 was played vs. our WRs last year? Either the receivers wouldn't catch it, or Ponder couldn't hit em." It wasn't until Harvin got injured that this team took on an identity. Like they were forcing it to Harvin to quiet the squeeking wheel. When Harvin voiced his displeasure, AGAIN, he was shown the door.

I take my hat off to Fraizer for how he handled this situation. He could have tagged it as actions detrimental to the team, and would have been well within his rights. He put him on IR and got rid of the distraction. We all witnessed how that benefitted team. They go on a roll and make the playoffs. That tells me the veterans on this team bought in to what Leslie was putting out. Result he'll get an extension...

Back to Percy. He was having his best season, On his way to team records and mention of MVP, even though that was token recognition. Look how AP battled for his MVP. Many still wanted to give it to Peyton. Percy wasn't even the 2nd best WR in the NFC North let alone the league.(Calvin Johnson Brandon Marshall) Now we are stuck with a disgruntled SLOT receiver that wanted more and more of the offense to go through him. All the while AP ripping up the league and a 2nd year QB struggling to pass for 100 yards a game.

Coaches decision, what is the best way we can execute to win football games? If you say Percy Harvin you are wrong at this point. (don't take that as a slam it's not ment to be) Ponder a basket case, AP on a roll and Percy injured there's only one way to roll. On the back of AP. If you recall I thought Webb should have gotten some PT during that dreadful display of QBing. Had he gotten some maybe Webb wouldn'd have sucked so bad in the Playoffs, but that's another topic.

The blow up in front of members of the team after Percy's injury sealed the deal. Damage control is how I see it. Keep the lid on it by not saying detrimental conduct. This is when I felt that he'd be on the trade block. I'm reletively sure we've seen the last of Harvin in a Viking uniform...

I love what Percy brings to the table. Is he an ELITE WR in the league, No... Is he the best slot receiverin the game? I'd say in the right circustances, yes! The slot receiver is never going to be the best player on a team. He's the guy you use in mismatch situations. Look at Welker. He's not the best player on the team, but they utilize the guy like only one other guy. He's on the same team. Gronk...

Now it's up to Percy. he'll either fish or cut bait. I'd expect the move after the Combine. The Vikings will not get fair value. The direction this team is going is with good responsible guys, team guys. Spielman has his work cut out for him. Perahps he packages our 1st and Harvin to get a player in the top 10 again? At least that the way I see it working out. Skol Brothers!
                                             Dan from Kokomo...

Well, here is an article as to what Peterson thinks....

rade speculation surrounding [Percy Harvin] is rampant with the new league year set to begin March 12, but [Minnesota Vikings] teammate [Adrian Peterson]said Tuesday there's no way he'd trade the wide receiver if it was his call to make

Peterson made his comments Tuesday in an interview with [KFAN-FM] in Minneapolis when he was asked whether he thought the Vikings would deal Harvin this offseason.

"To be honest with you, I don't know if we will or not. But me, individually, and giving you my opinion, I wouldn't trade him for nothing," Peterson said.

Harvin badly sprained his left ankle on Nov. 4 at Seattle last season and didn't play again. The Vikings placed him on season-ending injured reserve a month later. He started playing like a Most Valuable Player award candidate, leading the league in total yards (receiving, rushing and returning) through nine games in 2012 until he was hurt.

Peterson, who won the MVP award after his 2,097-yard season, said Harvin is too special a talent to trade away.

"To do the the things that hes able to do, I dont think there will be a player able to do it better than him. Ever," he said.

Harvin made waves last summer when he expressed unhappiness with the organization and requested a trade, but by the time training camp arrived he had simmered down. He went home to Florida for his rehabilitation after he was placed on injured reserve, but coach Leslie Frazier downplayed his absence, noting that others have often chosen to do the same.

Peterson said he believes Harvin and the Vikings can overcome the recent drama in their relationship.

"I havent really had the opportunity to talk to him much. But I always look at what you can get from a person, and I know it comes with, 'OK, you gotta deal with this, or deal with that,' but I always feel like that person can overcome whatever it is that they might be struggling with," he said.

Despite his season ending in early November, Harvin still led the Vikings in receptions (62) and yards receiving (677) despite playing barely half of a season, and he had a kickoff return for a touchdown as well as 96 yards rushing and one score on the ground.

The 24-year-old Harvin has 7,168 all-purpose yards in his four-season career with 29 touchdowns (20 receiving, five return, four rushing). He also has 280 receptions in 54 career games.

That was a great reasonable post by Koko. If he does get traded, it should be Harvin, and a 3rd/4th for a mid-late 1st at least! Again, given Harvin's situations that I mentioned earlier; what WR would have been more productive than him? I don't want Harvin to leave. IMO he is the perfect complement to AD, for what the QB brings (has brought thus far) to the table. NO ONE can say Harvin is not something that he has not been given the opportunity to prove or disprove: Ponder has not proven he can throw the deep ball period. I don't even want to hear about the "two/three" that Wrght had when Percy went down. Harvin gets past defenders, Ponder needed to consistently get him the ball. Ponder was a "little" less inept at the middle-deep ball when harvin was out, but IMO that had more to do with Ponder's maturation process than Harvin not being there.

What's all this "cancer" talk? People (Fox) are comparing Harvin to TO and 85? Really?? Not even close. Harvin plays HARD for this team! He gives his body up willingly for this team! I don't agree he's the cancer that people (media, fans) say he is. Side note-doesn't it say more about the other 52 players if they let ONE man affect ALL of them?? AD has Harvin's back and I think if he absolutely thought Harvin was a cancer he wouldn't...

Draft compensation determines how elite someone is??????? Fox, ya might want to rephrase lol. NO ONE will give up two 1st and a 2nd for ANY PLAYER except an ELITE QB (and Megatron) now that Mr. Davis is dead. Can you think of any trades in the last five years where the compensation for a player was two 1st and a 2nd and the player was NOT a QB? The last 10 years? I can't.

All we all can do is hope this team makes the right decision. We let Moss go, how'd that work out for us? We let Sidney go, how'd that work out for us? It's always greener on the other side isn't it?