Evaluating our true needs

I am done with Hawk, Finley, Crosby, and Burnett is fast becoming an annoyance to me.

Finley isn't as bad as a lot of critics make him out to be. Has he underperformed given his talent? Absolutely, but he still had 61 receptions, 667 yards and 2 touchdowns. When you look at who's been around him (Jennings, Cobb, Nelson, Jones), it's not hard to see that his statline is solid. Rodgers spreads the ball around to everyone, Finley's numbers would probably be better on a team that needs him more. I wouldn't be too sad to see him leave but I'd want at least a 2nd-rounder for him. Burnett is our best safety so we need him, but I'd like to see us draft someone to compete with M.D. Jennings. He needs to be replaced more than anyone else on the defense. Wouldn't mind keeping Hawk at a lower price, if not, hopefully we get something for him.

I feel the Pack is weak at TE, and need some upgrading at that position. Finley is not the answer!

That's not what's holding us back though. We won the Super Bowl with Andrew Quarless and Tom Crabtree.

Center - There was real drop in offesne last season with everyone back except Wells.  Satruday was awful and benched after taken MM most to the season to realizze the guy was through.  Draft a decent center is a big hope for 2013.

Safety - We are weak at this position both SS and FS.  Burentt is weak and doesn't scare anyone.  Woodson missed most of season and is now gone.  McMillian/Jennings...young guys for depth , but that's about it.  Need to find both positions i think, maybe McMillian could blossom though.

LT - Don't need to say much here.  There's a reason Newhouse was drafted so late; he aint that good.  Injuries hurt us here...Sherrod would have been nice if he could've stayed healthy.  Maybe he comes back, if not we're screwed. 

OLB - Again we suck...If Perry can't make the transition, Walden is too inconsisitent.  Poor Clay with no help

IB - Hawk is slow and losing Bishop hurt a lot.

DL - A mess here; probably the weakest position on the team along with center and safety.

TT will need to venture into FA to fill in all the gaps I think this time.




 

Dline is the biggest need. No question

Dline is the biggest need. No question

Worthy is a talented player that should only continue to get better and Mike Neal has proven to be the best pass-rushing DL on the team and should start. He has had significantly less snaps than he should be getting. He's averaging a pressure every 8.3 pass-rush attempts, which ranks 8th in the NFL among 3-4 DE's. He's underrated and underutilized. That needs to change in 2013. Our coverage was much worse than our pass-rush last season. Look for Worthy and Neal to make big strides next season. Combine that with Pickett getting more rest coming off the bench and I think our defensive line would be fine. Maybe find someone in free-agency or the draft to do the dirty work kinda like Howard Green back in 2010.

Dline- i say go after a 6-4 guy or taller with some weight, kinda like richard seymore at 6-7, i think that is what we are missing
CB- i say go with tyrann matheau in the 4th, take a flier on him and have him develop with our guys
S- i figure we are just fine here. do we need an upgrade? yes. but it is servicable
ILB- same as S, servicable but not great.  Hawk will never live up to his draft position. Bishop is our best guy and we should get a team based guy that is big and strong to take out the FB on runs and can blitz a little
OLB-dont draft or sign a FA, walden did OK, Perry will be back. walden just needed more of a break and Perry gives that to him, in my mind
C- need an upgrade, but servicable. I'd like to see a 1st rounder here but i dont know if its likely unless we trade up
G- we are good here
T- Bulaga stays at RT and have Newhouse and Sherrod battle it out for LT. Could we do better? oh heck yeah but will TT? nope.
TE- Finley is a good one for catching, not one of the best, but good. with quarless coming back that should help both running and passing game
WR- leave it alone!!!!!
RB- also leave it alone! not needing an AP in our offense, would like one but not needed
FB- Kuhn is a loved, is he a good FB? hes ok, at best. better at pass blocking than others and ok at run blocking
QB- am i worried about harrell? yeah but leave this position alone

overal, that is a good team! not a great team though. with help at C and DL and an attitude arrangement there could be a huge upside in the team. i also think the OC should call plays, not MM.

Worthy is too soft and won't be around in a couple of years as others prove to be way better.  The Packers won it all without Finley a couple of years ago, so let him go and add that 8.25 million to Woodson's 10 million and that will give the Pack 18.25 million more to work with.  It's time to make some changes for the better.

with that 18 mill would we go after dashawn goldson at S? i think he is a FA, not sure. but i heard rumors about him.
with him and Perry being back and Walden able to get rest i think the D will be much better, plus McMillan could learn under goldson and maybe improve and take the job 2 years down the road.
Packers dont need Finley, he is good but not needed. they need more of a blocking TE than anything right now and Quarless brings that back.

Msomm84, Safety Dashon Goldson will br franchised by the 49ers, and then they will work out a long-term deal with Goldson. Their is no way that he will be leaving San Francisco.


As far as the rest of this thread goes, Green Bay needs to make some tough decisions and let some veteran guys go. I'd let Jermichael Finley, Ryan Pickett, John Kuhn, M.D. Jennings, and Frank Zombo all go to free agency.

Green Bay needs some young and hefty big boys on the D-line. Green Bay should go after and resign DT Howard Green. Green was 50% responsible for Nick Collins TD in the superbowl. Green is currently a free agent, and he could really help out against physical O-lines like San Francisco and Minnesota. When Green Bay has to go into a heavy defensive package and they put guys like Mike Neal, Mike Daniels, and C.J. Wilson on the line, they will get blown up all the time.   

1. Green Bay needs to get the following free agents: Safety George Wilson and Defensive Tackle Howard Green.  
2. Green Bay needs to re-shuffle the O-line. Bryan Bulaga needs to go to left tackle, lang at LG, Green bay should draft a center with their first pick, either Barrett Jones or Travis Frederick, Josh Sitton stays at RG, and Don Barclay should be the starting RT. 
 

QB - Obviously we are set with Rodgers, however, we need to find someone to back him up, as I don't think Herrall can get it done, if God forbid anything happens to Rodgers. Maybe trade a late round pick for Colt McCoy? Or draft someone like Ryan Nasib in the 3rd round.

HB - This one is tricky, Harris played well late in the season, Green may have some talent, and Starks is always hurt, saying that, I wouldn't mind an Eddie Lacy in the 1st round.

FB - I love Kuhn, but I would probably love Delanie Walker more. We could probably keep both of them as Walker is more of an H-Back type.

WR - We need to replace Jennings, Terrance Williams out of Baylor would be a nice pick, we may be able to trade down to the early 2nd and still be able to draft him.

TE - I like Finley, but I would love to bring in Delanie Walker, Walker would be a perfect fit with this team, he can play TE, FB, WR, special teams, he is literally a Swiss Army Knife.

OL - We are set on the interrior, I really like Lang, EDS, and Sitton, I think it would be best to move Bulaga to LT, and either keep Barclay at RT or draft a D.J. Fluker, you also can't forget about Sharrod if he's fully healthy.

DL - We need a big body, who can also put pressure on the passer, a Calias Campbell type player, however, I'm not sure there are any out there. I think Worthy is a keeper, and we need to find a potential successer to Pickett.

ILB - Getting Bishop back will help out a lot, but Hawk can be easily replaced, I wouldn't mind taking a flier on Manti Te'o late in the 1st if he is there, he would be a great value pick at that spot.

OLB - I think our starters are set here, Perry showed flashes before he got hurt, and Clay is a beast. However, you can never have too many pass rushers, I would not mind taking Eziekial Ansah in the 1st if he slips, and if he does, I can easily see TT taking him.

CB - We lack a true shutdown CB, the ones we have a good in coverage, and I think Hayward can develop into that type of player, if Milliner or Rhodes slip to us, we may consider CB round one.

S - I think Burnett has a ton of potential, and he led all S's in tackles last season, but I think he has playmaker potential too. Opposite him is a different story, is it Jennings? Is it McMillian? Who knows, but what I do know is that Tyrann Matheiu will be there in round 4 or 5 for the taking, and I wouldn't mind that at all. Now listen, he is a safety prospect at the NFL level in my oppinion, he struggled a lot in man coverage at LSU, but played fairly well in zone, and is a great ballhawk, plus he runs a sub 4.5ish 40, and is a solid tackler, put all that together and he is your prototype NFL safety. Nick Collins was a CB in college and we all saw how good he became.

Worthy is too soft and won't be around in a couple of years as others prove to be way better.

Based off of what? Because he was injured at the end of the year despite playing in 14 games? If DL was our biggest need (which it's not), then why on Earth would we give up on our 2nd-round draft pick from last year? Mike Neal only played 295 snaps and still led all DL in sacks on the team and if he starts combined with Nick Perry and Desmond Bishop coming back, that's an improved pass-rush already.

How could anyone have watched the Packers last season and still think that the pass-rush is a bigger priority then the secondary? We ranked 4th in the league with 47 sacks (with Matthews missing 4 games), 11th in passing yards allowed and 16th in passing TD's allowed.

How could anyone have watched the Packers last season and still think that the pass-rush is a bigger priority then the secondary?

I think it's a matter of preference. If you have an elite secondary, it doesn't matter if you can't constantly put a lot of heat on the QB. I'm under the opinion that we have an average secondary with a below average pass rush based on last season. Injuries to both were absolutely factors to that. Just because we have the injured guys returning, it doesn't mean that they won't get injured again. Anyone who has watched this team for the last 20 years knows that.

Having an elite secondary isn't easy to come by when you develop a team the way TT does. He rolls the dice in the draft and undrafted F/A hoping to find that diamond in the rough that can be the star 4th round or later pick and he can feel like a genius. Only once has he gone into F/A to pick up a proven veteran in the secondary, and they just released him.

I would prefer to upgrade the pass rush and kick the crap out of  QB's to the point of creating fear amongst future opponents. Right now, nobody is afraid. If you go against a team like the Niners, and your secondary is great, and Kaepernick can't get any big passing yards, they can still run against us all day with Gore and Kaep. If we can just find that other piece of the puzzle opposite of Clay, and Perry was /is supposed to be it, then we could actually win the battle with an average secondary and stop the run. I just think it's better to shore it up front and work your way back, and that's my personal opinion.

I think it's a matter of preference. If you have an elite secondary, it doesn't matter if you can't constantly put a lot of heat on the QB. I'm under the opinion that we have an average secondary with a below average pass rush based on last season.

It's not really a matter of opinion, the numbers show that the Packers had one of the best pass-rushes in the league in 2012. And that is with Matthews missing four games, Neal missing six, and Perry/Bishop out for the majority of the season. Tramon Williams is declining, Charles Woodson is gone and M.D. Jennings isn't really that good. He's solid on special teams and we should keep him, but he needs competition.

Just because we have the injured guys returning, it doesn't mean that they won't get injured again.

Doesn't mean that they will get injured again either. You draft by NEED, not by predicting injuries at certain positions and drafting just incase.

Right now, nobody is afraid.

Because of poor tackling and coverage, not the pass-rush. 

Worthy is too soft in my opinion because he was constantly being shoved backwards on most plays.  The coaches even went as far as bringing in Daniels who is Worthy's backup, because he showed more heart and desire to succeed .  Maybe there's hope for Worthy, but as of right now I don't see it.

A player I would really like to take a run at in free agency is Michael Johnson. He is a physical freak at 6'-7", and is extremely athletic. I think he would help out our pass rush a ton, and he has experience playing 34 OLB. Another player I really like is Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, he is one of the most athletic players in the NFL, and has decent coverage skills, I believe he would flourish in our system.

I truly have to laugh out loud at these threads on the Packer's board discussing this FA or that FA and what FA's would make our team better, stronger, faster. I mean, it is wishful thinking, but fellas, it ain't gonna happen.

Ole Teddy Tightpockets doesn't scour the waiver wire for new, better, needed talent. He never has and never will. We're not signing any FA that would be (could be) classified in the top 3 tiers of the NFL.

No new DE, no new RB, no new WR, no qualified player of any sort.

Teddy doesn't play in the FA sandbox to make this team better; he drafts younger and younger and more and more inexperienced players, so our team is cheap and affordable. The Green Bay Packers took about $11M in "under the cap" money off the table in 2010, about $9M in 2011 and about $9M again this year. You don't get to horde it guys, it's not a bank account.

If we needed a corner or WR or RB mid-season that "could have" pushed us over the top this season, $9M sat on the table to do that. When Jordy and Jennings were BOTH out for extended periods ... well, nuff said on Tightpockets.

Wolfe went and rented Andre Rison in the Super Bowl year because we were down two men. He got one. In a period from '93-'95 Wolfe went and picked up via FA, Reggie, Dotson, Sean Jones. When we went to the 96/97 post season, we had one of the feared D-Line in the league.

I get that life in the NFL is much, much different now than back then. But with the tools allowed at the time, Wolfe added pieces until they all fit. TT on the other hand - with the tools the NFL allows today - does nothing remotely similar.

You can sing the TT praises all your want ... he's not helping this team. TT's approach is to "maintain" this team. We're 15-1 a year ago and 11-5 this year. But we're 1-2 in the postseason since the Super Bowl year. Are we getting better? Are we adding pieces to improve or are we adding college kids to keep getting younger?

Ya, these threads make me giggle.

BFFL is right, the chance of TT signing a FA agent are slim to none. Like my granpa would say, wish in one hand and shit**** in the other and see what you get first.  

Packers needs:  Run blocking O-Line, faster and stronger inside backers.  Our offensive line sucks at run blocking.  Establish a good running game, you don't have to be great at pass blocking.  Start over at inside backer, they all suck.   

You have to maintain a little hope that TT will see the light someday.  It's been proven time after time that having the best quarterback quarantees nothing in the NFL.  So maybe Ted takes a tumble, and hits his head which turns on that light.

even though the Packers need to get better production out of the running game, i dont think they need to ditch their line to get a better "running line". would it help our RBs? yup. would it help our franchise player thats gonna get a huge payday? heck no. if fact it would be like us saying "Aaron, since you have such a high rating we will let you take the next couple seasons off and completely turn our offensive mindset upside down and turn into the Vikings". no with MM the playcaller there is no way the packers will be a running team. they need to get better, yeah but one guy could help that. get a C and do some nice running up the middle for 4 yards. we dont need more pass rushers, we need a big D lineman. or a faster IBL. ok goldson wont be ours, fine. the only way the secondary will get better is through time and the draft. if we stop the run in the first quarter and the O pulls there heads out of their butts before the 4th quarter the opponents will be forced to pass the ball and we can get more INTs or stop them in the red zone with the beef.

we need to draft big physical D Linemen who can stuff the run and pentrate taking pressure off Matthews and the edge rush.backfield is young but talented but could use some depth. getting the defense off the field gets rodgers and a talented offense more opportunity to score. plus getting some key players healthy again. The other major need is O line drafting physical run blockers and someone able to protect out quarterback who was one of the most sacked in the league. establishing a good run block sets up the passing game, dujaun harris did well but bringing in a bigger 3 down back to supplement hin would be the ideal.

Well Thompson and Murphy just let Safety George Wilson slip right through their hands! Here is Safety George Wilson, the perfect candidate to be Green Bay's new hard-hitting Strong Safety....and nobody tries to sign him. Tennessee got a hell of a deal for a player of his caliber. Two years, $4million with a bonus $1 million if he hits certain incentives. George Wilson is probably better than any Safety currently on Green Bay's roster. This sucks...

I think Ted Thompson is going to go CB or DT in the first round. No C's are worthy of a first-round pick and I doubt he's going to spend another first-rounder on a T when Sherrod still has potential.

I'd have my eye on Johnthan Banks, Logan Ryan at CB (as previously mentioned) and John Jenkins, Jesse Williams at DT.

Logan Ryan's going to slip down the board. He bites on double-moves too easily, he doesn't play to his timed speed, and he's got questionable technique.


What part of "draft and develop" don't you people understand. The fact is that we've got plenty of young talent at ILB and yes, Brad Jones is actually pretty decent in coverage though I do like the idea of drafting a LB(could be ILB or OLB for that matter) that specializes in coverage. I was hoping Lavonte David could be that guy last year.

I'm also getting sick of hearing this front-7 BS as well. Our front-7 was A-ok last year and in the Seahawks game, our secondary looked atrocious despite the fact we got pressure on Wilson and had a decent pass-rush. Sure, injuries hurt us down the stretch but let's get real. Our secondary plays a porous zone that we really don't have the players to play. Again, Safety is the biggest need, especially with Woodson now cut. It's ludicrous to say you're OK with going into a season with onlt 3 Safeties with a combined experience of 5 years and maybe ONE that's starter material. Surely, you jest...

Pretty sure you were the one saying Lavonte David didn't fit into the Packers system after I said we should grab him. Then weren't you pissed at TT for taking Nick Perry over Courtney Upshaw?

<p> <br /> <strong> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"> Safety -</span> </strong> yea we've needed one since Nick Collins had his career ending injury, WHY T.T  was  so blind to see this  since his departure , i don't know !<br /> Moving ( Charles ) Woodson out of his natural position ( Cornerback ) was a big mistake from the start and now we have to hope for the best now that he's gone. Casey Hayward is talented but i think it'll take him another year against quality oponents to get better and better .... <br /> <br /> <br /> <strong> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"> Tackle/ Center</span> </strong> - any improvement or depth on our offensive line is a plus  --- especially when injuries happen so frequently there<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"> <strong> Running Back -</strong> </span>  We need a more consistant RB - with ( Ryan ) Grant gone and ( Cedric ) Benson a bust in his one year in a Packers unifor we have to hope we can land someone that can be an every down back and not suffer the aches and pains of an injury plagued seaon. <br /> <br /> <br /> <strong> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"> LB -</span> </strong> again -- need more depth and someone who can both cover and blitz the passer, AJ Hawks is a good LB but not great, and with ( Clay ) Matthews pretty much the best LB we have we need more consistantsy when it comes to that position.<br /> <br /> <br /> <span style="text-decoration: underline;"> <strong> Cornerback -</strong> </span> we can always use more cornerbacks, and with Sam Shields FINALLY gone, ( i don't know what took the Packers so long in seeing tha  he's not only SLOW but a below average when it comes to pass coverage ) we always could use more depth.<br /> <br />      <br /> <br />      </p>

<strong> Safety -</strong> yea we've needed one since Nick Collins had his career ending injury, WHY T.T  was  so blind to see this  since his departure , i don't know !<br /> Moving ( Charles ) Woodson out of his natural position ( Cornerback ) was a big mistake from the start and now we have to hope for the best now that he's gone. Casey Hayward is talented but i think it'll take him another year against quality oponents to get better and better .... <br /> <br /> <br /> <strong> Tackle/ Center</strong> - any improvement or depth on our offensive line is a plus  --- especially when injuries happen so frequently there<br /> <br /> <br /> <strong> Running Back -</strong>  We need a more consistant RB - with ( Ryan ) Grant gone and ( Cedric ) Benson a bust in his one year in a Packers unifor we have to hope we can land someone that can be an every down back and not suffer the aches and pains of an injury plagued seaon. <br /> <br /> <br /> <strong> LB -</strong> again -- need more depth and someone who can both cover and blitz the passer, AJ Hawks is a good LB but not great, and with ( Clay ) Matthews pretty much the best LB we have we need more consistantsy when it comes to that position.<br /> <br /> <br /> <strong> Cornerback -</strong> we can always use more cornerbacks, and with Sam Shields FINALLY gone, ( i don't know what took the Packers so long in seeing tha  he's not only SLOW but a below average when it comes to pass coverage ) we always could use more depth.<br />