C'mon Offense - Contribute

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C'mon Offense - Contribute

February 22, 2013 12:56 pm
Thanks for the responses smf, 67RS, and dgonaz, but, respectfully, I think your're all wrong.  Yeah, factoring in that other teams get to play some away games at Coors gives them a slight -- slight -- leg up on Colorado's away stats, but it's minimal because they play relatively few games at Coors.  Nothing near 81 games like the Rockies.  Yeah, no measure is perfect, but away stats are a lot truer measure than overall offensive stats when it comes to the Rockies.  You can cite the Rockies overall offensive stats and claim that that means they were a superior, or even a better than average, offensive team last year until you are blue in the face, but it's simply not true.  And the fact that the Rockies' away pitching stats last year were actually better than their away hitting stats is also something you can ignore if you want, but it's a fact, and it's hard to get around if you really think about it.  

I love the Rockies and I love Coors Field, but you have to think a little differently about statistics when it comes to the Rockies and comparing them to other teams because of the undeniable fact that a lot more runs are scored at Coors than anywhere else, and especially last year. 
Iron Pig
SinceDec 4, 2009
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C'mon Offense - Contribute

February 22, 2013 1:27 pm
Not to beat a dead horse, but to illustrate my point, let me give an example.  Let's say every other team in MLB scores an average of 5 runs per game at home, and 5 runs per game on the road.  But the Rockies score an average of 10 runs per game at Coors, and 3 runs per game on the road.  And let's also say opponents score 12 runs per game at Coors.  You could add up these numbers and see that Colorado averages 6.5 runs per game overall (home and away), while everyone else averages 5.0 runs per game overall, and conclude, voila!, that Colorado is the best offensive team in baseball.  And, of course, you would be completely wrong.

The numbers in my example may be exaggerated a little to make my point, but when you plug in the real numbers, you basically get the same result.  And you get that same result many, many years for the Rockies.  And every year everyone lazily looks at the overall numbers and concludes that the Rockies are all hit and no pitch.

Hey, I say that if most every year everyone is going to conclude that the Rockies are all hit and no pitch, why don't we bring back a Blake Street Bombers type line-up and actually make that true and enjoy it?! :)   
Iron Pig
SinceDec 4, 2009
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February 22, 2013 7:39 pm
I don't think you understand how much better against us opposing teams batted last season compared to the rest of the league, the numbers are high enough to actually scew the data.  The NL had 144 more hits against the Rockies than the next worst team in that catagory, 88 more runs against the Rockies than the next worst team, 286 more total bases against the Rockies than the next worst team. they posted a .827 OBP against us. a .290 batting average vs a .270 for the second worst team.


To put those numbers in more perspetive the difference between us and the second worst team in total bases against us is about the same as the difference between the second worst team and the best team. with the average difference between one spot to the next being about 20-40 bases not 286.  The difference in runs against us and the second worst team is 86 runs, the most difference between two places in the NL other than that is 45 (which is between the second worst team and the third worst and the average between two spots being much lower).  The difference in hits against us and the secodn worst team is 144 hits, the next biggest gap batween spots is 46 with the average difference being much lower.  Do you see a trend?  People didn't just score on us a lot, they scored on us at a rate that made the second worst in any pitching catagory look like a team full of aces compared to us    
dgonaz
SinceJan 5, 2007
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C'mon Offense - Contribute

February 23, 2013 12:26 am
You're falling into the same trap, dgonaz.  You're looking at overall pitching numbers, which, of course, include the Rockies' pitching numbers at Coors.  Away from Coors, the Rockies pitchers were not last -- in fact 4 NL teams, and 10 MLB teams, had worse ERAs away from their home park.  Other teams batted better against the Rockies than any other team AT COORS, not everywhere else.  I don't think you get it, but you're not alone. 

And away from Coors, the Rockies offense was dead last -- dead last.
Iron Pig
SinceDec 4, 2009