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Look Ahead: With Blue Jays struggling, will Halladay be on trade block?

Miller: Weekend Buzz

NEW YORK -- J.P. Ricciardi didn't say he'll trade Roy Halladay.

He also didn't say he wouldn't.

In fact, as the Blue Jays' general manager looked ahead to the July 31 non-waiver trading deadline, what he said Sunday was, "We have to be open to anything."

Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay would come with a high price tag. (US Presswire)  
Blue Jays ace Roy Halladay would come with a high price tag. (US Presswire)  
Anything means anybody. And anybody means a certain All-Star right-hander who might just be the best starting pitcher in baseball.

And while that doesn't mean Ricciardi is ready to sell Halladay off to the highest bidder, it sure does sound like he's willing to listen.

"We have to see what makes us better," he said. "Obviously, if people have interest in Roy Halladay, they'd better realize there's a steep price that's going to come with it."

It's not that much different from what Ricciardi has said before. If anything has changed, it's only that the fast-starting Jays have faded some, to the point where it's hard to see them being a true contender in the American League East.

Ricciardi said he's not willing to declare himself a seller yet. He said he wants to see how the Blue Jays play this week, when they follow their series at Yankee Stadium with one against the Rays at Tropicana Field.

But with three straight losses to the Yankees over the weekend, the Jays are now 4-11 against the three teams ahead of them. Not only that, but more than half their remaining games (39 of 79) are against those same three teams -- the Yankees, the Red Sox and the Rays.

The Blue Jays are still over .500, and they're still close enough to the top that players can talk optimistically about beating the big boys.

"Look at the Rays last year," second baseman Aaron Hill said. "Why can't we be that team? There's not a guy on the team that doesn't believe it. We've run through a little rough skid right now, but every team does."

It's nice that they believe, but it would be easier to believe in the Blue Jays if they didn't keep putting pitchers on the disabled list. Or if they played in any division other than the AL East.

As it is, they look like a team that will be hard-pressed to challenge the big three in the East.

They also look like a team that won't have the money to buy their way back into contention. Toronto's payroll this year is $80 million, and the Jays don't expect it to rise significantly next year.

"We have to be smart with how we can build our team," Ricciardi said. "We have to be open to anything, really."

Anything. Anybody.

Even Roy Halladay, as long as teams know that the price tag would be very high.

The other stories to watch this week:

The great Hughes debate? Phil Hughes was always going to be the Yankees' insurance policy against a starting pitcher getting hurt. He was always going to be the guy they called on.

Phil Hughes has found his stride since going to the bullpen. (Getty Images)  
Phil Hughes has found his stride since going to the bullpen. (Getty Images)  
Now, Chien-Ming Wang is on the disabled list with a strained shoulder and under orders not to even pick up a ball at least through the All-Star break.

And Hughes is not going to take his place.

Manager Joe Girardi says the main issue is that since Hughes has been pitching out of the bullpen, he isn't built-up enough to throw enough pitches to start. But there's another issue, and one that brings back memories of the great Joba Chamberlain debate.

Quite simply, Hughes has thrived in relief, with a 1.23 ERA in 10 appearances. He's throwing harder than he did as a starter, and he's even throwing his breaking ball harder (76 mph, compared to 71 when he started).

"He's just so much more aggressive," said one scout who watched Hughes recently.

So, down the line, is Hughes a starter or a reliever?

"I still believe he is a starter," Girardi said Sunday. "I think his stuff right now plays out well in both, but I think he's been really, really good in the bullpen and has been really helpful for us, and that's another reason we might keep him there for a while."

Oh, and as for Joba, he gave up a career-high eight runs Sunday. His velocity hasn't been nearly as good as a starter as it was when he pitched in relief, and he has struggled to pitch efficiently enough to go deep into games. The Yankees are 11-5 in his starts, but he has won just once since June 1.

And since the Yankees need him in the rotation right now, there's no real short-term debate about where to put him.

Manny in New York: You can bet there will be plenty of booing Tuesday night at Citi Field.

The question, one Mets observer asked Sunday, is who will get booed more: Manny Ramirez or David Wright?

Mets fans are unusually tough on their own players, but you'd have to figure that Ramirez will hear the most boos, in what will be his first true post-suspension road game.

You also have to figure that if the Mets had signed Manny last winter, as so many of their fans were begging them to do, those same fans would be cheering him wildly right now.

Counting pitchers: Baseball added a pitcher to each of the All-Star teams this year, with the hope that now they won't come close to running out of pitchers who can pitch.

Something else that could help: As of now, only three of the 16 starting pitchers named to the two All-Star teams are scheduled to pitch on Sunday, the final day before the break. The three who are scheduled for Sunday starts are Josh Beckett, Mark Buehrle and Josh Johnson, and already Buehrle has said that he will still be available to pitch an inning in the All-Star Game.

Three games to watch: 1. Orioles at Mariners, Tuesday. Erik Bedard returns from the disabled list to face his former team. He beat the Orioles last month, but there's more at stake this time. Either he's pitching to push the M's into contention, or pitching to raise his trade value.

2. Brewers at Cardinals, Tuesday. The last time Yovani Gallardo faced the Cards, he didn't allow a hit through five, had a two-hit shutout through eight, and still took a no-decision. At least this time Gallardo won't be facing Chris Carpenter, as Adam Wainwright starts for St. Louis.

3. Yankees at Angels, Sunday. The Angels offered Mark Teixeira $160 million, and they offered CC Sabathia $140 million. Both will be at Angels Stadium this weekend, playing for the Yankees. That doesn't mean the Yankees will win. They haven't won a series in Anaheim since 2004. And Sabathia is already 0-1 against the Angels since deciding not to sign with them.

 
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July 6, 2009 12:01 pm
Okay, okay, I know it's unlikely: that Halladay probably won't get traded at all, and that the Monforts and Dan O'Dowd are too cheap to even consider pulling such a deal. However, it's good to dream. With the Rockies in the middle of the Wild Card chase right now, and the Jays slowly fading out of it, I guess it's plausible that Rockie ...(more)
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July 7, 2009 1:04 am
I think Halliday is every bit as good as Roger Clemens.  Using that logic, Clemens never won a World Series with the Yankees, but the Yanks paid a hefty price for him.  If they were willing to pay a hefty price for Clemens, they should consider doing the same for Halliday (who would most likely GUARANTEE a world series ring for th ...(more)
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July 5, 2009 10:46 pm
(POLL) With What Team Will Halladay End the 2009 Season?
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July 6, 2009 12:27 pm
I think if the Blue Jays were to trade Roy Halladay, he could likely wind up with either the Cubs or the White Sox.  It's a simple progression.  Tea ...(more)
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July 6, 2009 9:52 am
2009 is the eleventh year in which Roy Halladay has pitched for the Toronto Blue Jays. He has a career 3.47 ERA with 141 wins and just 68 losses over this span. And yet guess what the Jays' record has been over the course of these eleven years? Let's just say that they have ...(more)
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July 6, 2009 1:43 pm
Look, I've read what JP has said but he says this every year. It would be foolish to not consider offers for any player but you can't replace a Roy Halladay. JP would have to be certain that Roy won't re-up his contract and at the same time be BLOWN away by an offer. I'm not saying it is NOT possible but as a Jay's fan I think ...(more)
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July 6, 2009 12:35 am
The Dodgers are loaded with prospects in the minor leagues and that includes alot of young and talented starting pitching which will be a definite asking price for Halladay! Plus, we are in need of a #1 starter to go along with the youngsters Billingsley and Kershaw and the others. We have deep pockets and will have no problem with his salar ...(more)
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July 6, 2009 10:26 am
Being hypothetical for those who are Phillies fans - I would think that an offer for Halladay would look like this:

* Michael Taylor - OF
* Kyle Drabek - SP
*
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July 7, 2009 10:54 am
The great thing about sites like this is that  alleged students of the game can propose their team offer two broken bats and a garden hose as an enticing offer  for the best starting pitcher in baseball--easily the game's most important and precious  commodity.

There are less than 30 people in the world with the position "General Manager".  And believe me,
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July 5, 2009 10:08 pm
If Doc somehow gets put on the trading block... Please, please, please St. Louis Cardinals find a way to get him!
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July 6, 2009 9:41 pm
ESPN has been reporting all week the Braves are shopping Francouer and Yunel, plus we were in the bidding before the season for Jake Peavy so everyone knows they want another pitcher. If they could get 1 outfield bat and 1 ace for the staff they run away with the division. ...(more)
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July 7, 2009 11:11 am
Can we move Halladay to the Tigers straight up for a move to the AL Central? Take the present team without Halladay, put it in the Central and I argue we have a better chance at a post season bid over the next 5 years
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July 7, 2009 11:37 am

To all you Yankees and Blue Jays fans I have a proposed trade idea for you....


Roy Halladay for Austin Jackson,
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July 6, 2009 11:03 pm
As much as I would hate to see more prospects leave Seattle's system, imagine a rotation with King, Halladay and Bedard as the top three...  Bedard may get the incentive to stop playing the injury game (I am not convinced the some of it is not in his own mind...) and if Morrow comes on like I think he will, then Washburn and Morrow would be a very solid 5 (let alone 4 for the playoffs).  ...(more)
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July 6, 2009 8:06 pm
I know it wont happen but could you imagine Halladay, Verlander and Edwin Jackson in the same rotation? Oh yeah, and rookie of the year candidate Rick Porcello! They would dominate the AL Central
 
 
 
 
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