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Maggs in the dregs? Tough call could be costly for Tigers

Magglio Ordonez is 35 years old. He's two years older than David Ortiz, 1½ years older than Derrek Lee.

With his hair cut short, he looks younger than he did two years ago. When he steps into the batter's box, he looks five years older.

Magglio Ordonez, who had 21 homers and 103 RBI last year, has hit just four bombs and driven in 28 in 2009. (US Presswire)  
Magglio Ordonez, who had 21 homers and 103 RBI last year, has hit just four bombs and driven in 28 in 2009. (US Presswire)  
Maybe 10.

They say he doesn't drive the ball anymore. They say he's having trouble catching up to average fastballs.

They whisper that he's done. Sometimes, they say it out loud.

"The thing about Magglio is he's not even driving the ball in batting practice," said one scout who has followed Ordonez's career. "The ball's just not coming off his bat."

Is he done?

They don't know for sure. They can't.

Two months ago, they said all the same things about Ortiz, right up to the time when he hit .320 with seven home runs in June. They said the same things last winter about Lee, and now he's leading the Cubs in home runs and RBI.

A season ago, the Mets thought about releasing a Carlos Delgado, then 35 years old, when he was struggling along in May with a .220 batting average, five home runs and 20 RBI. By season's end, he was an MVP candidate.

It's become one of the hardest questions to answer. Maybe it always was.

Is he done?

How do you know, especially now, as baseball emerges from the steroid era and players in their mid-30s begin to age as they once did? It's more expensive than ever to be wrong, because of vesting contract options.

When the Tigers sat Ordonez down earlier this year, agent Scott Boras publicly ripped them. At the time, Ordonez was 215 plate appearances shy of triggering an $18 million option for 2010, and Boras saw the benching as a way for the team to avoid paying the money (and instead paying Ordonez a $3 million buyout).

Manager Jim Leyland said the few days off (it ended up being five) were just another attempt to get Ordonez going. Ordonez played 13 of the next 14 games, but when the struggles continued, Leyland announced that he would be platooned with left-handed hitting Clete Thomas.

In an interview over the weekend at Yankee Stadium, Ordonez (now 158 plate appearances shy of vesting the option) said he fully understood Leyland's decision.

"I haven't produced," he said.

He talked about the difficulties of getting back without consistent at-bats. But he also expressed strong confidence that he can do what Ortiz did, what Lee did, what Delgado did.

"There's not a reason why not," Ordonez said. "I'm still young. I feel great. I'm not going to give up.

"I'm not done."

Maybe he is. Maybe he isn't.

I'm not good enough to be able to tell. Tigers players and coaches admit that they really don't know, either.

The interesting thing is how few times the contract option comes up when you talk to anyone associated with the Tigers. It would be naïve to say it's not an issue, because $15 million is a ton of money. But it would be just as naïve to think that saving money is the Tigers' only motive, because this is a team struggling to score runs and struggling to hold on to first place.

Those who know Ordonez say he worries less about the contract than the possibility that he gets released. And with Ordonez's diminishing role, and his continuing lack of results, a release seems like a greater possibility than ever.

One Tigers person said he wondered if the best idea might be to play Ordonez every day for two weeks, and then make a decision whether to keep him or dump him completely.

It's hard to know, just as it's hard to know what part the health problems Ordonez's wife suffered earlier this year played in his struggles. Someone pointed out that maybe his best swings of the season came in the days before he had to take five games off to be with his wife when she had surgery.

When Boras complained about the way the Tigers were handling Ordonez, he pointed to a batting average that didn't look that bad. Even now, Ordonez is hitting .260, which is well off his career average of .310 but not embarrassingly bad.

What sticks out more are the four home runs in 269 at-bats (he hit 21 last year), the 28 RBI (103 last year), the late swings on fastballs and the foul balls to right field. Ordonez doubled off CC Sabathia on Saturday, but it was on a ball that he sliced just inside the right-field line.

"My bat speed is right there," Ordonez insisted. "I'm just late when I swing."

Asked about whether Ortiz's rebirth was encouraging, Ordonez smiled and remembered back to when the Tigers and Red Sox met in the first week of June. Ortiz was hitting .185, and he had just one home run.

"He asked me, 'What's going on? What am I doing?'" Ordonez said. "I told him, 'You're going to be back. Just be patient.' And now he's back."

You want to tell Ordonez the same thing, but as you watch him, you're just not sure.

So you tell him what Sparky Anderson always said when a one-time star was struggling:

"Quality can always return. Mediocracy never was."

Mediocrity, mediocracy. Whatever. Either way, Magglio Ordonez wasn't it.

He was quality, and sometimes quality returns.

Is he done?

No one really knows.

 
For more from Danny Knobler, check him out on Twitter: @DKnobler
 

Talk Back
Reputation:89
Level:All-Star
Since:May 21, 2009

July 22, 2009 11:33 am
(POLL) It seems that every year goes by, and there is a new propaganda.
All the sports are becoming me first, team later saga. With greedy agents and players trying to rip off every chunk of dough they can, and fans are torn between their loyalty and favorite teams.

When Ordonez's contract was negotiated, it included a clause for certain plate appearances to make certain amount of money
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Reputation:99
Level:Superstar
Since:Aug 19, 2006

July 21, 2009 4:25 pm
Magglio is just not the same; this article concentrated on his hitting woes but his fielding has been just as bad.  Most people say he is lazy in the outfield, I say he's old and slow.  To his credit, he did reel in his agent (Boras) when he started making those statements about Leyland sitting him for the money (at-bats); he has great respect for Leyland and vice-versa; nevert ...(more)
Reputation:94
Level:All-Star
Since:Oct 24, 2006

July 21, 2009 6:41 pm
Probably the biggest problem the Tigers & fans have is Scott Boras. I think he's really
worried about his percentage of the $18 million instead of working more with his client
and that contract

The Tigers are not a "cheap" organization but like anything else in business
they want a good return o
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Level:All-Star
Since:May 21, 2009

July 22, 2009 12:11 pm
Agents, Age, and just maybe some of the stuff that is a no-no now in Baseball, and I am not talking Roids, HGH, is something that could be the problem. I just know that watching Baseball for 37 years now that a player just does not lose it like Maggs has, not In 1 year, no power at all. A slump is one thing, this is another    problems at home is something the public does not always ...(more)
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Since:Nov 26, 2008

July 21, 2009 7:37 pm
I wrote Danny Knobler an email yesterday after reading his column on the three way race and my exact question was did he feel Maggs could comeback?? Here today I see somewhat of an answer but nothing that seems conclusive in either direction. I didn't really think about that scumbag Boros and his comments cause alls he's thinkin about is the hit on his pocket book it would take if Maggs doesn't ge ...(more)
Reputation:99
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Since:Aug 26, 2006

July 22, 2009 6:55 am
I'm sure the Tigers have already done this, but the fact that he's late swinging on balls and not driving the ball makes me think he should have his vision checked.  I've seen this too many times in sports where a great athlete is presumed "over the hill" only to find out their vision was off.  Lets not assume anything here p ...(more)
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Since:Mar 18, 2009

July 22, 2009 11:29 am
Look there is no question the Tigers have the best pitching in the Central Division. The Tigers are just a bat short of blowing right by everyone in the division. That could've happened if Maggs had not taken steroids and Carlos Guillen didn't get hurt. The tigers should at ...(more)
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Since:Dec 3, 2006

July 21, 2009 6:45 pm

Scott Boras is  a scum bag.  He knows and proves it every time we see his ugly mug on TV or hear his whiney voice on the radio.  He's exaactly what is wrong is with sports today.  Greed.  At least the players and the owners are actually doing something to earn the money.  Boras is a parasite living off professional athletes.  What does he do?  He cries th ...(more)

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Since:Aug 24, 2006

July 21, 2009 6:09 pm
Thames deserves to get get put in LF permanantly, so you can platoon Clete Thomas, Anderson, and maybe Carlos Guillen in RF.

Boras is the big obstacle here.  He will rep his client with abandon, and will play chicken with the Tigers
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July 21, 2009 3:10 pm
If Maggs truly is not concerned with his vesting option, which after the money he's earned his paycheck probably isnt his main concern, then he should offer to renegotiate his contract and really take a chunk out of that vesting option. The Tigers organization and fans are hesitant to give Magglio what he needs to make a potential return to ...(more)
Reputation:97
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Since:Oct 23, 2006

July 21, 2009 7:24 pm
The Tiger paid an injured Maggs 16 million his first year and he missed half the season. Boros was not crying then.  Boros know that Maggs will not get close to 18 million on the open market..more like 1.5

I love Maggs as a Tiger, but he is not worth  18 million next year..not even close.   This is a no-brainer.

Good busines decision.

Reputation:97
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Since:Aug 24, 2006

July 21, 2009 6:32 pm
If he wants to find it, he needs to do like Ortiz and get back on the juice.
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Since:Jun 1, 2009

July 21, 2009 8:27 pm
Magglio must've read the article, as he came out and hit a 1st inning grand slam tonight!
All kidding aside, I agree with this piece and think the Tigers should give Maggs just a couple more weeks. If he doesn't turn anything around, then we gotta cut him.
Reputation:98
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Since:Jan 8, 2007

July 21, 2009 8:29 pm
Good story.  Excellent timing.  Sweet revenge.

Grand slam homer sending
Olson, Polanco, Cabrera, Thames all home in the first.

Couldn't have worked out better.

I have an importand meeting on Friday.  Could you write a story about it?  I would love to enjoy the success for a couple days ahead of time.
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July 21, 2009 8:22 pm
I don't even think Well's can come back for the Jays anymore!  A guy at 34 has an excuse!
 
 
 
 
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