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Lee makes Phillies forget they missed out on Halladay

PHILADELPHIA -- Until Monday night, there was only one pitcher in baseball who beat the Yankees three times this year.

Roy Halladay.

Now there are two.

Roy Halladay. And Cliff Lee.

Ever heard those two names linked before?

Halladay was the pitcher the Phillies first tried to trade for in July. Lee was the pitcher they eventually did trade for.

The Yankees certainly wouldn't have wanted to face Halladay in the World Series. So far, facing Lee hasn't been any better.

Lee won Game 1 in New York, and Monday night he saved Philadelphia's season by winning 8-6 in Game 5. In between, the Yankees won the three games Lee didn't start.

So the best thought the Yankees could take back with them to New York after Game 5 wasn't that they still hold a three games to two lead in the World Series, with the remaining games at home. It wasn't that they have all-time postseason wins leader Andy Pettitte going in Game 6, with ace CC Sabathia ready if needed for Game 7.

No, it was that Lee isn't going to start again in this series.

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And that Roy Halladay isn't marching in to start for the Phillies, either.

"I think [Halladay] would be rusty, anyway," Phils reliever Scott Eyre said with a smile. "He's had a month off."

The Yankees could have had the next 3½ months off, except for parades and celebrations, if they just could have beaten Lee on Monday night. They couldn't, just as they didn't beat him back in their April 16 home opener (when he was still with the Indians), or in Game 1 of the World Series, either.

"He's a very good pitcher," said Johnny Damon, who had two of the seven hits off Lee in Game 5. "He was one of those guys I was hoping that we would try to get at the deadline. Unfortunately, the price tag was a bit too high.

"But it almost seems like no price tag is too high for a guy like that, who can go out and win World Series games."

The Yankees spent plenty of money to get Sabathia and A.J. Burnett, and there was never any serious thought of trading for Lee, too. But you can understand why Damon wishes they had.

So far in the World Series, the Yankees are batting .217 against Lee, and .262 against everyone else the Phillies have used. They struggled for nine innings against Lee in Game 1, and for the first seven innings against him in Game 5.

They were encouraged that they twice brought the tying run to the plate against Ryan Madson in the ninth inning Monday. They have to be even more encouraged that if they see Lee again in the World Series, it would likely be for just a short relief effort in Game 7.

"We understand we still really have a very good chance," Damon said.

They'd have a better chance if their third-place hitter got a few hits, but after another rough night Monday, Mark Teixeira is now 2 for 19 in the World Series.

"You're not going to get four hits off Cliff Lee," explained Teixeira, who had one hit in four at-bats off Lee, then struck out against Madson for the final out of the game. "We scored five runs off him. You've got to give us credit, off the hottest pitcher in baseball."

Teixeira pointed out that the Yankees have responded to each of their postseason losses so far -- Games 3 and 5 against the Angels, Game 1 against the Phillies -- by winning the very next game.

The Yankees are wishing this will be the last they see of Cliff Lee, who has been everything the Phillies hoped he would be. (US Presswire)  
The Yankees are wishing this will be the last they see of Cliff Lee, who has been everything the Phillies hoped he would be. (US Presswire)  
He pointed out that the Yankees were in the exact same spot in the American League Championship Series -- up three games to one, then a loss in Game 5 on the road -- before they beat the Angels in Game 6 to wrap it up.

If anything, they were in a worse spot against the Angels, because after rain postponed Game 6 by a day, the Angels would have been able to bring back their ace -- and Game 5 starter -- John Lackey for a Game 7.

Unfortunately for the Phillies, the forecast for Wednesday night in New York says there's zero percent chance of rain. On the other hand, the forecast for a Game 7 Thursday says there's a 50 percent chance of rain.

Sure enough, when Manuel was asked after Game 5 about the possibility of using Lee again, the first thing out of his mouth was, "What's the old saying, 'Spahn and Sain and pray for rain'?"

Pray for rain, or pray that the Phillies can rework history (and baseball rules) and figure out a way to get Halladay in their rotation right now.

After all, if there's any pitcher in baseball you would like to start against the Yankees -- other than Cliff Lee, of course -- it's got to be Roy Halladay.

Right?

Halladay beat the Yankees three times (in five starts) this year. Now Lee has beaten them three times (in four starts).

"The only comparison," Damon said, "is I would take either one of them on my team any time."

The Phillies tried to get Halladay on their team. They got Lee on their team instead.

The only thing better would have been to get them both.

 
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November 3, 2009 9:17 am

Poor Toronto. If the former GM wasn't so arrogant they could have made a nice deal with the Phillies. Ricardi was being absolutely ridiculous and now he's out of a job. Rueben Jr. looks like a genious. I mean, for all of the historically poor moves that Philadelphia has had to endure this is, perhaps, one of the best. This ranks up there ...(more)

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November 3, 2009 9:15 am
I really don't understand the people screaming for Lee to pitch Game 4.  First off, the Phillies were tied going into the ninth inning of Game 4, so starting Blanton worked out - it was the bullpen that blew it.  Second, Sabathia didn't look very good and neither did Burnett in Game 5, so the 3 days rest hasn't really worked that ...(more)
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November 3, 2009 12:35 pm

Game 5 was by no means a brilliant performance by Cliff Lee and it did not beat the Yankees.  On 4 days rest people were expecting a CG SHO.  If anybody did it to the Yankees again it was Phil C ...(more)

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November 3, 2009 12:39 pm
The Yankees got to Lee for 5 runs in 7 innings. That is not a great performance folks. The game was won because the Phills scored 8 runs. That is why these threads are such a joke most of the time. The guy did not pitch great and would have and should have lost had not Utley homered for the 4th and 5th times of the series. He is a good pict ...(more)
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November 3, 2009 11:56 am

Imagine the Phillies position if they made the deal for both Lee AND Halladay.  They had the prospects to do it. 

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November 3, 2009 7:32 am
Interesting no mention of game 4 and the fact that Lee playing game 4 might of seen this series go back to New York with a Philly lead not a Yankee lead. Lee pitched one night to late and you can blow smoke up his ass all you want but this series is over. Game. Set. Match Yankees. And the Philies have no one to blame but themselves.
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November 3, 2009 11:38 am
Pedro, your Daddy wants you home and your gonna get a spankin'!!! You'll pitch good, but not good enough against the all-time winningest playoff pitcher.  The Yanks will continue with a high OBP with players who are actually delivering.  Outside of Utley, the Phils are abysmal this series with runners in scoring position.  And Pedro, don't worry, Sandman will put you and your ...(more)
 
 
 
 
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