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Perceptions aside, nothing soft about Saints

NEW ORLEANS -- Can somebody explain something to me? Why does the mention of the word finesse incite so much anger inside an NFL locker room?

Last time I checked, this was the definition of the word: Refinement and delicacy of performance, execution, or artisanship.

Does it say soft there? Or sissy? Or that other word players hate that we can't print here?

I just watched a team finesse the heck out of a supposedly physical team here Sunday. Final score: Finesse 48, New York Giants 27.

That's right, the New Orleans Saints finessed their way to 48 points, which is also the reason they are 5-0 and can stake a real claim as the best team in the NFL.

There is nothing wrong with it, either.

After watching the Saints offense carve up the Giants' top-ranked defense at the Superdome to the tune of 493 yards, and watching Drew Brees and that precision passing game rack up 369 passing yards and four touchdown passes, who cares if they are a finesse team?

"It doesn't matter if we finesse-ively kick their asses," Saints defensive end Bobby McCray said, making up a word in the process.

Yet there is a general perception that it does matter. A story in the New Orleans Times-Picayune on Sunday had this message: "Let's Get Physical," explaining, "The New Orleans Saints would like to dispel notion they are a finesse team. They won't have a better opportunity than today against the rugged New York Giants".

Saints coach Sean Payton took exception to it, and fired off a jab after his team's impressive performance against the Giants.

"I've read some of that stuff," he said. "We play a lot of physical teams here. We try not to pay attention to some of that. I don't know if it's really accurate."

Two weeks ago, the Saints beat up one of those supposed tough-guy teams, the New York Jets.

That was a far different style than what they used against the Giants. This time, it was more of the Payton-led Saints we've come to expect, which is an aggressive passing game triggered by Brees.

From the opening kickoff, Brees sat back and picked on a Giants secondary that has been hit by injuries. If they were hurting going in, they left a bloodied mess.

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Brees sat in the pocket and played pitch-and-catch with his receivers, who were seemingly wide open all day. Aside from a pinpoint pass or two, Brees had no difficulty finding open targets. Marques Colston had eight catches for 166 yards and a touchdown. Lance Moore, Jeremy Shockey and Robert Meachem also caught touchdown passes from Brees, who finished with a nearly perfect passer rating of 156.8.

The Saints came into this game with the idea they could attack the Giants safeties. To do so takes time. Against a fierce Giants front, that's risky.

The Saints offensive line was more than up to the task. The Giants didn't get a sack -- and they probably didn't get close enough to know if Brees was even sweating. By the looks of it, he wasn't. There were many times it seemed like Brees could spell the word finesse twice before anybody came close to him.

"We did a great job, a great job, in protection," Payton said.

At one point, Brees hit 15 consecutive passes, with the incomplete pass that snapped the streak actually getting batted back into his face. If not for that, it would have been another touchdown since the receiver was breaking clear.

"If you give [Brees] and that offense enough time, that's not good," Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora said.

The Saints also ran the ball for 133 yards, while limiting the Giants to 84 rushing yards. Those aren't soft numbers.

Drew Brees once again masterfully directs the Saints' offense in a victory. (AP)  
Drew Brees once again masterfully directs the Saints' offense in a victory. (AP)  
So why, then, is this considered a finesse team? It's because it is a pass-first team. Hate to tell you, but if that's the case, finesse -- thanks to all the rules changes -- is the way to go.

Just because you throw it doesn't mean you're soft. The Saints showed that with the way they played up front against the two teams from New Jersey the past two games.

Yet when I went around the locker room asking Saints players why hearing the word finesse next to their team name upset them, it only seemed to ignite them.

"What's wrong with being called a finesse team?" Saints offensive tackle Jon Stinchcomb said, repeating my question. "We're men out here. No man wants to be called finesse."

Next to him, offensive lineman Zach Strief could only concur.

"It's not what you want to hear," he said.

There have been a lot of good teams that have been considered finesse teams. The San Francisco 49ers dynasty was considered a finesse team for the most part, even if it did feature Ronnie Lott and some other good players on defense.

The Indianapolis Colts, in the Peyton Manning era, have been considered a finesse team. Didn't the New England Patriots finesse their way to a 16-0 regular season in 2007?

Precision passing teams often translate into being considered finesse teams. So if you pound it into the middle of the line for 100 yards, that's better than throwing it to score? It makes no sense.

Payton once told me he would take the two-play drive to a touchdown rather than a 12-play drive to a field goal any day. Who wouldn't? But we have this perception that tough-guy football is all about 12-play, smash-it-at you drives, even if it doesn't lead to a touchdown.

It's about scoring points and winning.

Being a finesse team does not mean you're a sissy team, or that other word that will challenge anybody's manhood.

I get it. The NFL is about macho. Who wants to be called finesse, especially when it's viewed as being such a negative thing inside NFL locker rooms?

"You can't get me to say that's a good thing being called that," Stinchcomb said.

Trust me, it isn't a bad thing.

What that word means for the Saints is that they are a precision passing team that is led by one of the game's best passers, who has his plays called by the NFL's best play-caller.

If that makes them a finesse team, so be it. Will it matter if they finesse-ively get to their asses to the Super Bowl?

 
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October 19, 2009 4:22 pm

The Saints Force You To Not Play Traditional Football!!!


     Plain and simple. Everything that you guys think of to stop them, Blitzing, Running the ball, and more blitzing and running. Will not work. The first qauter of yesterday's game proved what I am saying. The Saints scored on their first drive ...(more)

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October 19, 2009 3:26 pm
It seems like there is some kind of consensus that New Orleans is a pass first team, and granted, they are very good at passing.  However, if you check out the passing and rushing offense rankings, they actually rank higher in the league in rushing than passing and have more attempts.  People seem to like to segregate the passing and the rushing offenses and classify offenses and either ...(more)
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October 19, 2009 11:41 am
 If you're going to be a passing team the only chance you have is to get home field advantage in a dome or warm weather city in the January playoffs. How did the Niners do on the road in New York, the Chargers in Cincinatti, St Louis won by being in a dome with home field. When was the last time you can remember a pass firts team winnin ...(more)
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October 19, 2009 10:38 am
The Saints didn't exactly limit the Giants' running game because of physical play on the defensive front. The Giants stopped running the ball because they were behind. The Giants actually averaged a pretty nice yards per attempt rushing.... The Saints are a great team, but they have n ...(more)
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October 18, 2009 10:28 pm
You know, typically the New York sports fan is never short of words... especially those flung at the opposing fans during a game if you are daring enough to be in "their" stadium. But I have heard little from the Bills, Jets and Giants fans after New Orleans beat& ...(more)
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October 18, 2009 9:31 pm
"...if they finesse-ively get their asses to the Super Bowl?"

Nope.  Not one damned bit.

Prognosticators, commentators & fans can call it whatever they danged well please.  All that matters is that the Saints crushed a damned good team, & didn't seem to s
...(more)
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October 18, 2009 9:28 pm
Can't say for sure, and could be wrong, but I'm guessing that Pete (like so may other sportswriters) never played the game. Reminds me of the scene in "The Natural" when Redford (Roy Hobbs) looks Duval (Max Mercy) in the eye and asks, "Max, did you ever play the game?". Max sheepishly replies, "No...can't say that I have, but I make the game a lot more interesting for ever ...(more)
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October 18, 2009 10:47 pm
7 touchdowns 7 players.  If not a record it is damn near close.  There should be no problem being called a finess team on the Saints part because the offence is so diverse.  They score  whenever or however.  The Saints won by three touchdowns and it wasn't even that close.  If  not for the reversal of ...(more)
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October 19, 2009 3:09 am
(POLL) jacksonville doesn't seem to be that strong, but they have a mediocre schedule. they play tennessee, kansas city, cleveland and buffalo, plus games against houston (who they beat) and the struggling Jets. their games against 49ers and ...(more)
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October 18, 2009 10:43 pm
The Saints are playing really good at this time, but there is a long way to go. Sometimes, playing this good this soon is a negative. Peaking at the right time is the key to winning a championship. The Saints have a very dominant offense, but a defensive that is not proven yet. We will see what happens at the end of the season. Perhaps the S ...(more)
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October 18, 2009 11:20 pm
I am so impressed with Cincinnati, but hey, ya think Pete's gonna jump off the bandwagon again?
 
 
 
 
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