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Faceoff: Thursday mover? Jackson high-five? Collapsing?

NFL Faceoff: Pete Prisco vs. Clark Judge

CBSSports.com pro football writers Pete Prisco and Clark Judge face off weekly throughout the season.

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PRISCO: Can I say neither? I don't think either one will get there, but if I had to make a choice it would be the Dolphins. Why? Schedule. Have you taken a look at the Carolina schedule? It is brutal. After facing the Dolphins, they play at the Jets, home against Tampa Bay -- two winnable games -- but then close at New England, home against Minnesota, at the Giants and home against the Saints. Good luck. Miami's schedule is a tad softer. The Dolphins have games left with Buffalo, Tennessee and Jacksonville, and their tough games are at home against Houston, New England and Pittsburgh. So my choice is Miami. But the reality is I don't think either one will make it.

JUDGE: I'll take Carolina even though the Panthers just lost Thomas Davis and Jordan Gross, and here's why: They're beginning to get their act together, committing few mistakes and letting DeAngelo Williams and Jonathan Stewart -- not Jake Delhomme -- win games. That is critical because the Panthers can't win by relying on the inconsistent arm of Delhomme, and they know it. So they do what they do best, which is run the ball -- and the last three games they're averaging 212 yards per start. More important, they're not committing turnovers. They have three in three games. Opponents have 10. They've beaten Arizona and Atlanta the past three weeks, too, and barely lost out to New Orleans. That tells me they're getting confident as they build momentum. The clincher, though, is Miami's loss of Ronnie Brown. You can beat Carolina on the ground, but the Panthers' pass defense is effective. Losing Brown puts undue pressure on Chad Henne, and he doesn't need it. Not here. Not now.

Calvin Johnson, Steven Jackson or Terrell Owens: Who is the most talented player wasting away on a last-place team?

Steven Jackson PRISCO: It's Steven Jackson -- by a big margin. Have you seen the numbers he's putting up for that bad St. Louis Rams team? He's having a huge season, and nobody is paying attention. Jackson has 915 yards rushing, is averaging 4.8 per rush and has 33 catches. He's doing it on a team that doesn't have great players outside in the passing game. That means teams can load up to stop the run. He sees a lot of eight-man fronts. That can make it tough to run, but Jackson keeps putting up big numbers. In talking to some of the defensive players around the league, they rave about Jackson. He's a load to tackle and he plays hard all the time. I think the respect for Jackson is going up this year more than ever. He's a great player on a bad team. You wonder what he'd be like if he played on a good team, one with a passing game.

JUDGE: Steven Jackson. A few weeks ago we were asked to choose the best running back not named Adrian Peterson. I would like to amend my answer and say Steven Jackson. I can't fathom how he is doing what he is doing this season, and what he is doing is just about everything. He is the NFL's third-leading rusher, behind Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson. He averages five yards a carry. He has three straight 100-yard performances. He's the Rams' leading receiver. Basically, he does it all, and he does it with a bad football team beginning to show signs of life because ... well because Steven Jackson is carrying the Rams. Frankly, I don't know how he motivates himself, but he does. And he's doing it right. Imagine what happens if and when St. Louis surrounds him with talent. The guy already is a load. When opponents have to concentrate on others he'll be the NFL version of a nuclear weapon.

Eagles, Giants or Broncos: Which team is closest to the brink of collapse?

Denver Broncos PRISCO: Broncos. Collapse might be a strong word, but I just don't think they can maintain what they did early in the season. They are too limited on offense. The Eagles can throw it well with Donovan McNabb. The Giants can with Eli Manning. I'm not sure Kyle Orton can when the going gets tough. McNabb and Manning have been there in tough games, and done it. Orton never has. That means something. This is a quarterback league. The Broncos got off to the fast start with that defense, but that unit hasn't played as well lately. So I'll pick the Broncos because their offense isn't good enough. If they lose Sunday to the Chargers, they won't be in first place. We'll see how they react to that.

JUDGE: Broncos. And I say that knowing Denver still have Oakland and Kansas City (twice) on their schedule. But here's the problem: If you can't beat Washington you might not be able to beat Kansas City -- especially in Kansas City, where the Broncos have lost three of their last five. Anyway, what bothers me here is the Broncos' defense. Once it was bulletproof. Now it is not, and that's trouble for Kyle Orton and an offense not designed to play tennis with opponents. Denver must win and must win now, otherwise the roof could collapse. Following Sunday's game with San Diego, the Broncos have the Giants, followed by road games in Kansas City and Indianapolis. That's not easy, particularly if Orton is hurt. The Broncos are beginning to look like the club we thought they were -- not enough defense or offense to make a difference -- but can make a statement with a win Sunday. Win or lose, they will.

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November 19, 2009 5:55 pm
This week's faceoff topics were terrible. Who wrote these, seriously? Well I'm not going to just write a post just to complain, I'm going to do a better faceoff. I'm not going to argue with myself so feel free to faceoff against my opinions on these 3 new and better topics.

First Topic- Who is the better team in the NFL right now- New England
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November 13, 2009 4:29 am
As a Saints Homer, I want to pick the Saints Defense (a heck, i'll just say the team).  First time in franchise history 8-0!!!  I thought that was only for the Colts to do and I thought early Sunday that was going to be the case for sure (this year).

I was so surp
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November 18, 2009 4:07 pm
 Cincy  swept the Steelers, and the Ravens - they certainly SHOULD win the division.  Of course that  is not a foregone conclusion, we know anythign can happen - see the Jets collpase last year as exam ...(more)
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November 18, 2009 11:26 pm
Prisco is right when he says neither is likely, but now that Ronnie Brown is out for the rest of the year, I think it's not even close. Sticknig with the premise that neither team is likely to make the playoffs, I think it's clear that the Panthers have a better chance (th ...(more)
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November 11, 2009 2:17 pm
I find it comical these 2 buffoons have chosen either the Steelers, or the Colts to make it to the Superbowl with 9 weeks to go! Get a clue you losers! For starters the Bengals have owned the AFC North up this point, inlcuding ...(more)
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November 12, 2009 11:12 am
Right, the Doncos didnt push for the division last year.  They only had a three game lead with three games to go, and technically finished tied for it.  so what gives?  what exactly IS pushing for it?
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November 11, 2009 4:14 pm
Stole this from another article:

Pittsburgh will win the Super Bowl. The Steelers are only two field goals away from being undefeated, and no one is really talking about them. Coach Mike Tomlin has to love that. Anyway, I have Pittsburgh, Indy, New England and Denver as my division winners, with
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November 18, 2009 2:37 pm
I'm so glad the two of you have such differences of opinion.  You provides careful insights and piercing debate.  Honestly, could your responses be anymore shallow and cliched?  This is how many times now the two of you have agreed on nearly everything.  This used to be somewhat interesting if not just amusing to read when there was some difference of opinion.  Now it's a ...(more)
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November 18, 2009 8:46 pm
In the battle of half-wits having not much to say,
the Academy recognizes Prete Crispco as the ultimate in
NFL babble. His insight into the Donkeys?
Prete offers up:

"If they lose Sunday to the Chargers, they won't be in first place. "

That's GOLD, Pete.... ...(more)
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November 11, 2009 2:07 pm
Prisco...I'm amazed that you didn't think the Vikings were the biggest surprise so far this season.  As much as you have been all over Favre and his meltdown and he was a broken down old man after week #7, I would have bet money that you would say the Vikings were the biggest surprise.

However, I do agree with you on the
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November 11, 2009 11:53 am
the Colts wont miss sanders and jackson that much..1st..they are used to playing without sanders..and bethea and bullit play well together,2nd..hayden has been hurt all season ocing the colts to play the rookie corners all year. jackson was available to start but was only playing nickel...and the pass rush will make up for most secondary pr ...(more)
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November 18, 2009 2:32 pm
Its clear that all 3 of those talents are wasting away on their respective teams, but theres also another name that they forgot to mention......Nnamdi Asomugha.  He definitely should get some consideration since he is widely considered the best corner in the league & yet plays or the horrific Raiders.
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November 19, 2009 1:43 pm
How does T.O. even get on the list of good players on bad teams next to Jackson and Johnson?  He needs to be on the list of past their prime superstars who stayed in the NFL too long.  Put him next to Joe Namath and Franco Harris, then choose.

As to the question of which team will collapse, can I take all of the above?
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November 18, 2009 4:12 pm
(POLL) I don't see how he gets all the attention he does. He was a mediocre qb in high school and college, and now hes a superstar? Or was he just in the right place at the right time?
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November 12, 2009 11:15 am
His name is Peyton Hillis.

Problem is, McDaniels abandoned the zone blocking scheme and benched him over one fumble.

So much for the offensive genius...
 
 
 
 
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